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@Aaron p Great post! I personally really love bhakti yoga. Bhakti Yoga is very effective at creating emotions of love, bliss, selflessness, surrender and devotion. And raising your consciousness that way.

You mean the idea in general? I believed you meant about the Buddha specifically, therefore I addressed only that in my post. So in general: It is my observation that the more awake a guru is, the more he seems to be able to directly wake up some of his students. Since there are infinite degrees of awakening, I believe it is my logical conclusion, that it is only a matter of degree of awakening, and someone would be able to awaken every student. I never said something about how realistic such a depth of awakening is. It could perhaps be that the first human to pull it of will be in 1000. Or earlier.

Time dilation in lucid dreams is very difficult. So in order to be able to learn how to do it, I believe you should lucid dream every day for at least one 1 hour. Otherwise it's probably too unrealistic to learn. I know of 2 ways how to be able to lucid dream that much: sleep yoga Trying to DILD all the time. Like a natural lucid dreamer. A long time ago I made a post about that, about omnilucidity (=lucid in every dream). To achieve omnilucidity that way is probably a lot more difficult than with sleep yoga lol. And you don't have all the other benefits of sleep yoga. But total omnilucidity isn't necessary I believe, as I wrote, 1 h is probably enough. That is more managable. Instead of the ada (and pada) approach I rather recommend: Doing 5-10+ very short WBTBs every night; Do ing 400-700 quick reality checks every day ; spending 45 minutes trying to remember and journelling your dreams, every day. If you are very good at stabilizing dreams, you only need to get lucid 2-4 times a day. (Possibly also possible if you manage to reliably OBE 1h each day through WILD or astral projection. The technique is similar to the sleep yoga technique.) Then, on how to dilate time, I made a few posts about people talking about time dilation. read them. So how to actually dilate time: Just try it. And use the methods of reports of people who managed it. Once I'm able to do it, I will post my tips:) subliminals. I believe they will be very helpful. In 2 ways: To actually directly help you dilate time if you listened to a lot of sublimals (particularly subs about the subconscious) it will be a lot easier to control your subconscious and thus dilate time. "[Time dilation] has allowed me to perceive many years of dream content in a mere 2 hours of sleep. I have also had times in which I have slept for over 24 hours and dreamed for what felt like hundreds of years, to the point where I had forgotten many things from irl [=in real life]. I felt as if I could remain their indefinitely (or near indefinitely) but I always choose to come back for some reason or other. These days, since I tend to spend much more time in my dreams than the waking world, instead of keeping a dream journal I keep a sort of thisworld journal which I use to keep from forgetting important things irl. I write before bed and read upon waking to reintegrate myself into this world."- MyLynes, https://www.dreamviews.com/dream-control/101908-time-dilation-techniques-2.html (2nd page, 3rd post)

I stand by that this ability depends on how awake the guru is. But tbh, I have no idea whether Buddha was awake enough to awaken any spiritual seeker like that. I never did much research about Buddha, so I know almost nothing about him. So I guess you are probably right about Buddha. However, here are some possible explanations why he could have prescribed techniques even if he actually did have that ability to instantly awaken anyone. He might have been able to partly awaken someone. And additionally gave techniques to deepen their awakening. there might be karmic reasons He might not have wanted them to be fully dependent on him He gave techniques so they can keep getting more awake after his death with techniques it is more gradual. Thus less shocking He didn't have time to awaken everyone one on one

8 Approaches/Ways to achieve Sleep Yoga (Overview) I might sometimes say contradictory things on how to achieve sleep yoga. That's because there are many different approaches. 1. Normal Approaches - 1.1 Trance Trying to enter such a deep trance that your body can be considered asleep Alertness is given. So the major emphasis of trance work is on lowering your brainwaves (=making your body fall asleep) (that's way it's easier when you are tired). Once you enter deep brainwaves, you also need to make sure to maintain alertness. - 1.2 WILD WILD = Wake Induced Lucid Dream. For simplicity's sake, let's say that the technique is the same as the normal astral projection technique. The empahsis lies both on alertness and making your body fall asleep (=lowering brainwaves) The best time to practice is when you are in REM (after 3-7 hours of normal sleep). It can also work well when about to take a nap The key attribute of WILD: Tricking your body to believe that you fell asleep. Then the body enters sleep. That means you should avoid movement. Be wary of the roll over signal. You need a passive/relaxed concentration/alertness. Too much concentration and your body won't fall asleep. Too little and you lose consciousness. relaxation of your body is very important, otherwise it won't fall asleep Doing Trance during a WILD attempt can be very helpful When you get to the point where you would normally enter a lucid dream or astral projection, you resist that. Thus you remain in this shallow level of void. With practice you can remain there longer and deepen the void (= as your body goes into deeper sleep stages). - 1.3 Tibetan Approach Very similiar to WILD A big component is having awareness of awareness itself as the anchor to remain conscious. Their technique contains certain body positions and visualizations. As well as being helped by spirits. 2. Tiredness Approaches Different degrees of Tiredness: - A: Deliberate SWS core The way I described it in the first post of this thread Between 80 and 300+ minutes - B: Sleep Deprivation Sweet Spot Sleep deprivation worth of 15-40 hours of no sleep. (Everyone experiences 15 h each day) After let's say 25 hours you can start practicing. The exact level of tiredness which you need in order to perform the technique is very individual If you let's say are awake for 25 h and then sleep for 10 minutes, you then might have a sleep deprivation worth of maybe 23 hours. If you then sleep another 60 minutes you might then have a sleep deprivation worth of 21 hours. So the reduction of sleep deprivation is not linear. The more sleep deprived you are the more just a few minutes of sleep are able to hugely decrease your sleep deprivation. So after around 1 day of no sleep you might be in your sleep deprivation sweet spot. You can remain in this range for as long as you like. But for health reasons it is recommend to take a break every now and then. You could for example have 1/1/3 shedule. 1 day no sleep, 1 day sleep yoga and remaining in the sweet spot range, 3 days as much sleep as your body likes. A more demanding schedule would be 1/3/1. - C Extreme Sleep Deprivation Sleep deprivation of 72+ hours. Here you experience hallucinations. Some interesting reddit threads: link and link. The book "left in the dark" by Tony Wright has also a few very intersting pages about sleep deprivation. You can download the pdf version for free. Just google it. Your brain looks the same as the brain of someone who is asleep Your right brain half is more awake than your left Combining this level of tiredness with sleep yoga techniques makes it probably quite easy to remain conscious while the body falls asleep It is however not recommended because it is not good for your health at all. Besides, at this level of sleep deprivation 10 minutes of sleep probably result in 2-10 hours of sleep deprivation reduction. Thus you are quickly set back. And you are always on the edge of unintentional sleep. Potentially almost completely setting you back. The Techniques (for 2. Tiredness Approaches): - 2.1 Microsleep Repeatedly going over the edge. Your body falls asleep and you lose consciousness. Then you are quickly awoken with alarm clocks. This way you practice getting close to the edge The biggest benefit is that by repeadetly making a very quick transition from awake to asleep, you gradually train the skill to induce that transition consciously with your intention alone. You basically get a mega powerful trance skill. When you are extremely tired, you can fall asleep in less than 1 minute. So you can set alarm clocks (snooze modus) every minute. Thus there is a lot of practice. Every time you wake up, your body will be more relaxed. - 2.2. Remain conscious no matter what You simply don't allow yourself to lose consciousness, no matter what. You only allow yourself to fall asleep, if you remain conscious So a high degree of tiredness is required. The low brain waves are given. So the sole emphasis lies on remaining alert and conscious. You don't spend any effort on trying to fall asleep. Tiredness is the force that takes care of that. Don't split your attention. Only focus on remaining awake. There is no issue with movements (compared to the WILD approach) and you don't need to worry about body relaxation 3. Sleep Induced Approaches - 3.1 DEILD DEILD. Once you are about to enter a dream, resist it and try to enter the void instead. I made several DEILD posts in the past. I find DEILD a LOT easier than WILD - 3.2 After Lucid Dream When the lucid dream dissolves, you then are in the void for 0-3+ seconds. With MUCH practice you might be able to prolong that. If you are interested in that, your focus will be in mastering DILDs - 3.3 During Light Sleep or normal dreams Spontaneously getting conscious during light sleep, or spontaneously consciously entering the void from a dream. This might be most likely to occur when your are about to wake up. Seems extremely unlikely but this has actually happend to me around 9 times. In the progress uldate post I said that I finally managed to be conscious during sleep a few times. I'm not 100% sure but I think it never was directly from the waking state but from the sleeping state. I believe the first few times were as a result of reaching out to spirits. And then it happened again a few times, this time I believe as a result of to listening to subliminals. Anyways, it doesn't really happen anymore (only very rarely). Most likely because I stopped the things I did (or at least the intensity), which I believe led to it (reaching out to spirits and listening to subliminals. I still listen to subliminals but mostly for other reasons. And not in order to spontaneously get conscious during sleep. Because that approach takes too long. I currently do the " 2.2 remain conscious no matter what" approach. When I manage to get into my sleep deprivation sweet spot, I manage to consciously enter a very light form of light sleep. Subliminals are helpful for that approach as well.)

That depends on how awake the guru is. I guess the Buddha and Babaji were able to awaken any spiritual seeker, whether ready or not.

Bhakti yoga is the most beautiful spiritual practice. If done 'correctly', bhakti yoga can be quite potent. If I remember right Sadhguru said it's the quickest way to mahasamadhi. His wife did mahasamdhi as a result of bhakti yoga.

You don't see the moon. You see a white disk.

Even if you have been on the moon in the past, the moon is still a concept right now. Memories = concept. And if you were on the moon right now, "the moon" would still be a concept. You never encounter a "moon". Only grey rocks. (you don't even encounter "grey rocks". You 'encounter' only raw being. "grey rocks" is a label you project onto it)

Tripping on dream psychedelics for weeks on end in time dilated lucid dreams.

You are right. From the absolute perspective there are no implications. But from the relative perspective there are.

As for transcending desires. How about abiding in God consciousness? When I meditate on Love/God/Bliss, desires usually diminish to some extend. Sometimes sexual urges completely dissolve.

Ordinary physical death makes no difference. You just switch bodies (physical body to an ethereal body), the ego remains largely untouched. Only mahasamadhi can completely erase the ego.

@Gesundheit I agree

From the "expanded relative perspective" and from the "practical relative perspective", that isssue is resolved. Infinite experiences can exist paralell to each other.

I agree. Absolute Truth is not a perspective. All perspectives are pure mental masturbation. But perspectives (in general) are needed for practical living. The only alternative is purely 'living' in accordance with Truth. Which would quickly result in physical death.

Let me add: practical relative perspective: The exact same as "expanded relative perspective" except that time exists. So all the Solipsistic bubbles exist paralell to each other similar to how "paralell universes" would exist paralell to each other. But they are evolving. Only the present Solipsistic bubbles are real, right now. Past Solipsistic bubbles/realities happened in the past and others will happen in the future. Change is real. Impermanence applies here (while Permanence applies to the 3 above-mentioned perspectives).

From the "expanded relative perspective", yes. Change doesn't exist.

@BipolarGrowth Imo, more perspectives than just the typical absolute and relative perspectives must be considered when talking about such matters. ABSOLUTE perspective: Only one 'substance' exists. Potential = Creation. Absolute Perspective: Solispsism expanded relative perspective: All of Infinity is manifest right now. potential = creation. Time doesn't exist. Every possible Solipsistic perspective/creation (including humans, animals, aliens, stones, atoms,......) of the past, the future and all possible paralel worlds/realities exist right now. Similiar to the scientific theory of parallel universes. Just a lot more radical (as it contains all of Infinity) I haven't included what is generally considered the "realtive perspective" because it doesn't make much sense to me. If someone can explain it, I'm curious to hear. Great! My current upgraded technique is : Always try to remain within the sweet spot of 20-40 hours of sleep deprivation. No deliberate sleep. Alarm clocks every minute (during training). And a further upgrade of the FILD technique. Most days I don't manage it yet, because unintentional sleep is damn sneaky. But I'm slowly getting the hang out of it. When I do my current technique + sweet spot sleep deprivation (which hasn't happened often so far due to unintentional sleep ruining it), I can consciously enter a very light form of light sleep.

Exactly. As I just mentioned, I was talking about it from the relative perspective. In previous posts, people basically said "some of infinite potential will turn into creation". This is from a relative perspective, because with "some" they mean more than what is happening in direct experience right now. So your argument can be applied to all of what they said. Ultimate perspective: Solipsism relative perspective: All of Infinity is turned into creation. potential = creation.

Of course, ultimately, only what you experience right now is creation. And it is all of creation. Nothing else happened before and nothing else will happen in the future. But I was talking about it from the relative perspective. And you guys were too.

You guys are saying that Infinity means there is the potential for everything to happen. And that this doesn't mean all of it will actually happen. Not all potential will turn into creation. But what is the difference between potential and creation? I propose that potential and creation is the same, in the exact same way that nothing and something is the same!

"om namo bhagavate vasudevaya" (liberation mantra, recommended by Lahiri) "om namah shivaya" (recommended by Haidakhan Babaji and Sadhguru) "hare krishna, hare krishna, krishna krishna, hare hare, hare rama, hare rama, rama rama, hare hare"

@Leo Gura It doesn't? Not even within infinite time?

The ultimate is God. God imagines a "relative reality". The end. Or is there more to it?