Danioover9000

@Thought Art Yeah, it's gets complicated when we factor in age and when we can deconstruct the non-binary/binary and gender identity roles. I generally assume, best practice to identify with biological sex and gender role as the same first, and then later the person can deconstruct. Yeah, it's tricky. I do agree strong identity and ideology, and too much close mindedness might be bad, but some people have to assume and have axioms in the first few steps. Children can't be identifying with any object they see or fantasize being after schools, otherwise who can a person being a chair, or being an animal, or being a unicorn work their 9 to 5 job, and provide and protect themselves first?

@Thought Art Yes, gender expression can be very diverse, I think we have 50s gender pronouns and more. Because of how fluid and malleable identity and psychology can be it is so, because of this we have roleplaying, D&D, acting, film making, up to espionage and so on. Yes, he's a biological male sexed, and doesn't identify as a female, but rather as a cross dresser. Yes, gender dysphoria is a growing issue among children, and the science is still unclear if this is from confusion due to the child being confused what gender should they identify as or are peer pressured into identifying as transgendered, versus actually being born with gender dysphoria.

@Carl-Richard @Thought Art I do agree with this a bit, you are called what you are in an immediate appearances, direct experience as is comes first, concepts and ideas second. While it's great to be identified as your biological sex, and gender as one in alignment, some people will have different alignment between their biology and psychology, along with differences in stages of development, cognitive and moral development, personality types, states of consciousness, life experiences and other lines of development, in personal to societal domains, and other ideologies indoctrinated and groomed into your mind. Like with most things, each factor should be considered, Like it would be nice if I'm identified as a moderator and thought policeman, but if I force myself to make this identity rigid as who I am as a social construct, then my performances may get impacted, like I won't be able to play well in chess because instead of letting myself be a chess player, I'm stuck being a thought policeman/moderator of my thoughts.

@Jannes So, how are you doing today?

@Thought Art I agree with this perspective, because there's an order of operations, hierarchy and sequence of events that sometimes need to be acknowledged at least, and sometimes maintained. I also see this issue with capitalism versus communism and socialism, to me it's important that a country has at least implemented capitalistic economies first, secure good regulated markets and a trade system of imports and exports, before we implement socio economics modals. We can't just skip capitalism completely and the means of production and business and commerce and expect that we end up having a flourishing altruistic socialism based country, you need securities beforehand for not just selfishness from other foreign countries but also selfishness in different parts of the system. Similar with the transgender issue, a person must master being feminine and masculine, good mix of qualities from both, grounded, before going full trans, at the very least to think carefully before going the full transformation. Of course, many assumptions being made here, and I'm oversimplifying the complicated processes of the person and other psychological issues, which is why we need that report of the ratio of transgender ideology versus innate gender dysphoria. Maybe our future going forward in humanity, is radical transhumanism, maybe we evolve to be hermaphrodites via gene modifications and cybernetics and alien DNA splicing? Who knows.

@Jannes I see. Thanks for taking the time to answer my questions, and sorry in advance if I was too interrogative, I just need to know and gain clarity through how you're making the meanings behind the words you use. I do agree that the importance of pronouns is relative, and in theory we can drop most of them, but in practice it is hard as these pronouns, not just in the English language but in foreign languages are pretty backed into the cultures it came from, so to change around language is to also slightly change and influence the cultures it came from, which can be difficult to do, which is why I used the examples of when it's casually face to face conversations because those social settings you have to talk a bit faster, and sometimes there's not enough time to talk slowly and be more philosophical and deliberate, at least in most social settings convenience is more important in context. Sorry in advance if this thread may become heated or locked, that user is one of the few that I had drama prior in another thread, and regardless of how I explained myself when at times I was joking I am now forever phobic. I'll leave if you don't want to continue this discussion, unless you have questions about my views here?

@001 This may be a semantics issue, for me when I say stupid or stupidity it mostly means a max level of cognition, when a person can't think past a limit, for example processing extremely large numbers and doing very complex mathematics, most can't, whilst a few can, and a few can't do basic maths or basic logic even. To me, ignorance or idiocy is probably the better wording because it mostly means the persons is just not that willing to learn and know more, whether that's because they have reached their mental limit, or just general ignorance and lack of interest. So, is idiocy more closer to what you meant when you were tired of the stupidity in this forum in general? Yeah, they should probably ask questions more than answer and give complex answers, guilty of this myself. Just ask, seek clarity and good communication overall. Is it just because of the annoyance you said fucking a lot, or is there horniness and other feelings as well?

@Israfil I'll research them in my spare time, but from what you've described, I'm already intuiting that Keynes's economic theory is more feasible than the Austrian economics. What I think needs to happen for Austrian economics to be a bit more feasible, is that there are ways of dealing with selfish self interested people, which entails some form of regulation by state and law enforcement and court systems in place. However, if they're of libertarian ideology, and libertarians value private property, increase of property rights of owners, deregulating government and state affairs, political, economics and markets, education, welfare state, hospitalization and medical policies, basically overall deregulation of societal factors, then Austrian economics seems like it's less realistic than Keynes's economic theory. Until they find a solution to deal with the deep selfishness per human being, based on SD stages of development, cognitive and moral development, personality types and traits, states of being, life experiences and other lines of development, from personal to societal, and other ideologies, and put in place systems and infrastructures, and figure out ways of mixing the two economic theories then it's promising.

I like this video, very reminiscent to systemic thinking of the world and through both biology and psychology up to society: Also, maybe this thread is in reference to this blog? https://www.actualized.org/insights/thinking-deeply-about-the-trans-issue

@Enigma777 It's complicated. Based on the relativity of the SD stages of development, cognitive and moral development, personality types and traits, states of consciousness, life experiences and other lines of development in domains, personal to societal, along with ideological indoctrinations and upbringings, and environment limitations. It is what it is to me, so while I don't have any specific solutions to this growing issue, one I recommend is to just laugh at the absurdity of it all like these two, despite their raunchy humor:

@Jwayne That's great, do you do martial arts? What style? What food do you like and any places you suggest for tourists to go and basic traveler advice?

HAPY BIRTHDAY @Leo Gura!!! ??? Wish you a wonderful rest day today, and keep up the good work!?

https://metro.co.uk/2023/04/21/elon-musk-threatens-to-sue-microsoft-after-xbox-drops-twitter-uploads-18653535/ Well, that escalated quickly.

Contemplation is everything.

@integral I could be wrong, but wasn't there liquid weed back in the 50-60's? Why don't they legalize that instead of smoking weed? Is it true that the smell of weed is like a pleasant flowery skunk?

Who wants to bet when this thread might be locked? I say within a week.

@Razard86 It's good that weed is slowly getting normalized, although 50 years is probably be the point weed will be commercialized securely. Despite the evils, it's fine to enjoy some caffeine and alcohol in moderation.

@DrugsBunny Why are you running a smear campaign on me in this community? Just because I posted in a way that presumably made me transphobic?

@Carl-Richard Yea, he kinda has squared this already and answered his own question in his first post, not gonna lie, but it's kinda hard to be always self censoring for gender neutrality when in quick, casual conversation, especially if the language is not English. While there's a time to slow down pacing of speaking, I feel like conversations, if improvisational, quick, witty, and casual, it feels difficult.

@Jannes Do you mean biological sex? Sexuality? Sexual orientation? Sexiness? Sexy? Which are you asking me to define, biological sex or sexual activity?

@Scholar The implications being that this will negatively effect copyright laws, infringements and is disruptive to some forms of income like royalties, commissions or wage value when the AI in question can perform in the same metrics better than the artist in that field can. To me it'll be unethical if the AI program copies 80% of artworks from an existing artist, who's getting royalties from past works being purchased, and needs commissions for current works, because then newer customers will gravitate to the AI program than the original artist, and maybe the older customer base would start preferring the AI programs too. I think the ideal ratio, should be 50/50, that an AI is allowed to copy below 50% of an existing body of work if the artist is alive and depends on the income from those royalties and commissions.

@mr_engineer Do you have a link to that debate? I'll watch later as I'm not familiar with those economic modals.

@Leo Gura So, in a convoluted way, does this imply that Libertarians like Vaush, and some anarchists and neo liberals, when they speak about less regulated markets, or 'free the markets!' that their intuition is correct? Before you object, I do disagree with how they speak and how they implement towards freeing the markets by scaling down the state and increasing property owner rights and being hyper individualism, I'm just asking if they're intuiting in the correct direction?

@Jannes Isn't that an assumption that few people use pronouns? What about in casual conversation, when I'm talking about my friend and my friend asks me about my sister, and I said "Michelle? Yeah SHE was at the mall doing shopping for HER new wallpaper", casually and quickly, what's the problem? And what's the unconscious pre assumptions about gender? What if the context of using pronouns was casual, and nobody minded? What do you mean stage green across the globe? Do you know the values within stage green? What do you identify as then if you use he to refer to yourself? How do you even refer to yourself in the 3rd person in the first place? What is your problem with intentionally using pronouns for convenience? Of course 3rd world countries won't see this as a problem, because they got bigger problems than worrying about gender studies. How is gender a 1st world democracy problem, and the concept of shadows aspects and Architypes by Carl Jung connected? What are you assuming between gender studies to shadow work? What feminine qualities do you think would help men? What masculine qualities do you think would help females? What are you assuming when men integrate feminine qualities=less wars, and women integrating masculine qualities=more economy and faster development? Wait, women being more masculine=better economy and faster development???Can you explain to me please, using concrete examples?

@Jannes Trans people account for less than 1% of the world's population, whilst heterosexuals make 95% of the world's population and other minority groups roughly 10-20%, why should the world cater to you specifically? How does using pronouns, in a typical conversation, make gender important? Which war are we talking about? The war of gender equality within English speaking countries in America, or what about other countries that don't have English language, and have romantic languages like French, Chinese, Indonesian, Dutch, Portuguese, where there's already masculine and feminine forms of words backed into the culture? How is it counterproductive? Counterproductive that they don't convert to your way of viewing the world? Why would this problem only be solved via extreme binaries? Like taking this seriously or not taking this seriously? What if this problem is much lower in other people's or other country's priority list of problems to tackle?