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@Juan Oh, okay then, so you've actually agreed with my position from the start?

@Hardkill I think it's complicated, and we don't know enough to determine whether Noam Chomsky is hiding something in the closet or not.

@Juan How is ALL and AVERAGE different here? Aren't you using AVERAGE as a generalization for most conservatives? That's the thing with you citing from Jubilee and The Cut about Muslim conservatives vs Muslim Liberals, Liberal teens vs conservative parents, and feminists vs anti feminists, I don't see how these three subjects, in there own contexts, have anything to do with Steven Crowder, can you elaborate what being a Muslim conservative/liberal, being a teenage liberal vs old conservative, and feminist/anti feminist have to do with being Steven Crowder? Again, correlation/=/causation, and extrapolating from other contexts into one context/=/causation. If you consider Steven Crowder to be the average conservative, why then don't we have the average conservatives as wife beaters, white Supremacists and more right wing alt extremists then? Steven Crowder seems to me, my observation, is more stage red/blue and less orange, cognitively biased and lower in moral development, personality typing is extroverted-close minded-conscientious-disagreeableness-higher in neuroticism and sociopathy, a dysfunctional relationship with his wife, other life experiences and lines of development that to me isn't a great representative for average conservatives. If Steven Crowder is conservative representative to you, then that means to me you have a distorted bias that makes you think he's representative of conservatives, or because @Leo Gura said so so Steven Crowder is conservative representative? I agree that you do the best you can to study in your own area, but that begs the question, especially if you live in an area with more extremists which exhibit unhealthy conservative views, or even liberal views, then the sample and selective bias and survey here would be wrong/distorted no? That's my question to you. I'll ask the questions again: We should take claims from a conservative with consideration, but not liberals? So, when progressives/socialists and liberals make claims that if children state they're transgender that we should automatically transition them, without further determination that they're suffering from gender dysphoria or are peer pressured by the trans community? Same with transrace?

@Juan Yes, I know you're talking about the averages, but I'm asking why did you cite YouTube videos from the Jubilee and The Cut? What makes them credible enough to back your general claims that Steven Crowder is representative of all average conservatives? I'm asking about how you socialize, and know that the people you've interacted with are also representative of average conservatives? So, because there's correlation and patterns of behavior and opinions equals causation? Which means that people you're interacted in your area, that talk like Steven Crowder, are therefore White supremacists and Nazi? You're wrong, you're responding to @Roy and me. We should take claims from a conservative with consideration, but not liberals? So, when progressives/socialists and liberals make claims that if children state they're transgender that we should automatically transition them, without further determination that they're suffering from gender dysphoria or are peer pressured by the trans community? Same with transrace?

@Juan How is Jubilee and The Cut credible YouTube videos enough that you'd use them to support your claim that Steven Crowder is representative of all conservatives? Out there socializing? What if the area you're in has more far right nationalists than conservatives? Does that mean when I interact with a small sample of that population, that then I can claim that Steven Crowder represents all conservatives? Have you interacted with Steven crowder then? So, because there 'tends to have' which means there's a pattern, is sufficient justification that one person represents an entire group? Which means, by implication, that any claims against transgenderism and transrace isn't valid?

@Juan How is Crowder the representative of the average conservative, and not representative of the average white supremacist? How are conservatives more angrier than liberals? How are conservatives only close minded? How are conservatives the only ones with limiting beliefs, but not liberals? How are conservatives more neurotic, and not the online left?

@ZoweeZoe I think @Roy and I may agree on the starting premise that it's existentially pointless when or when not transgender people transition, or that transgenderism and transracialism is fundamentally pointless. However, I think both of us would disagree over the specifics, contextualization and relativity of the factors needed to make sense of whether transgendered people should or shouldn't transition, and whether transrace or transgenderism are pointless when some are emotionally attached to these ideologies. For example, how do you know when a child really has gender dysphoria, by birth, or just because saying their gender dysphoric/trans is another way of getting attention from their in-group or it's a result of peer pressure? When is it the right time to transition physically, undergo surgery, remove male parts or add female parts? I assume @Roy's answer will be the same as mine: that the child should go through therapy for a couple of years to determine if that gender dysphoria is genuine, then after that they can go to HTR, and if that's successful, after reaching age of consent, as an adult you can apply for physical transition. That's my position and @Roy's. The same line of reasoning with race, how do we know the child really wants to be white, but is born with melatonin that makes him appear African American or some other ethnicity/nationality? I think here both @Roy and I may disagree more with the concern is pointless argument, because this is such an easy way to write off actually concerns to half concerns of events and people effected by certain ideologies, and concern of whether behaviors and actions that were taken were wrong in context. If we encounter someone who has transitioned, but in retrospect is now regretting their decision, should we not take that into account for future cases going forward? Should we take more precautionary steps, instead of rushing a confused teenager/child, suffering from gender dysphoria/other dysphoria, into transitioning more out of ideology and less out of that person's genuine well-being?

@Roy I think it's one of those trolling tests, he's testing our common sense again.

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Can we talk about Michael Jackson here? I feel he's nearly the perfect example of transrace, and maybe transgenderism, but nobody is pushing back on if this is a goad example or not. So, is he, or is there a better one?

@RebornConsciousness Never give up questioning. He gave up on me when he can't answer anymore, see?

@Leo Gura I'm centrist conservative, yet I don't think, feel and behave like Steven Crowder, so is he really a good example of the average conservative? Especially when we factor into Stage of development, cognitive and moral development, personality types and traits, states of being, life experiences and other lines of development, and different ideological indoctrinations? I feel that demographically he might be representative of conservative, but psychographics might be more diverse here, especially if we factor in other countries and environments as well.

@Blackhawk Why would you answer my question 'why wouldn't you judge?' with an 'I don't know?'? Are you assuming that saying 'I don't know' is enough reason to support your claim of not judging nor caring about the net negative of people's actions, along with transrace and transgender issues?

@Blackhawk If this is true, then you've judged, and generalized that all people compete in sports because they expect a fair game. A man that's a transgender competing against a woman is not a fair game, although it's important to specify the type of sport. I said combat sports which for example is boxing, wrestling, MMA, so under these types it's highly unfair. Which means all this implies that you're assuming, and drawing distinctions and judging one group of people versus another, so you're contradicted what you've stated as you don't care about others and that you don't judge, seems like you do. Is my assumption of your conclusions you've drawn accurate? What do you mean sports can never be unfair because people are born differently? Do you mean that sports unfairness is universal? If it's unfair universally, and if there's fairness then it's a tie, then would this be you judging and caring and creating distinctions?

@Blackhawk Why wouldn't you judge?

@Blackhawk What do you mean not the same thing when others are involved? Letting people do stuff implies people are involved. Letting trans people into women's combat sports, with their higher testosterone levels, implies multiple trans people competing with multiple women. So, if it's only with them, with the outsiders, and you don't witness or know, then it doesn't matter? So, until you're involved with fighting a trans person, until you're getting beaten, then it's not that important?

@Blackhawk You don't care when a Trans person is beating a woman in a sport, and having an unfair advantage due to higher testosterone?

@Blackhawk Do you those fears are ungrounded, when Transwomen compete in women's combat sports?

@Blackhawk Do you think those fear are not grounded?

@Blackhawk How is that relevant to Transgenderism and transrace?

@Enlightement Is he really a clout chaser?

@Blackhawk What is a people? And what if letting people do what they want with their bodies results in a net negative?

@Vrubel That's true, wokism can be dangerous if left unchecked, woke has to be checked at it's place. IRL progressives, those that actually value the minorities and do work hard, compared to the majority of left wing internet viruses are actually good people, just this woke ideology needs to be checked in it's place as a bit crazy, along with the internet, time for an actual online government.

@Hardkill He's decent, and will challenge the democratic party, kind of act like another Trump litmus test. Definitely has interesting takes overall, but he's not perfect, for one his take on Covid is a bit bad. Decent leader, good to see a Kennedy running for at least POTUS.