Danioover9000

Another great example, again you are so rational and objective, yet don't realize how your ego mind has corrupted those values to serve it's own agendas, self biases and SURVIVAL. All this, yet you don't realize how Trump mind slayed your mind making it side with him, and you claim to be an objective rationalist? Yeah right: Unless someone here explains to me how this isn't an immature take?

This is a great example of a person, who seems a mature person, who is mostly ignorant of developmental factors such as stages of development, cognitive and moral development, personality types/traits, ego development, states of consciousness and other lines of development in life domains to societal domains, and has self biases and preferences and ideological beliefs indoctrinated from culture and upbringing, giving his take based on values of objectivity and rationality and he himself in a state of objectivity, appealing to logic and some ethos and pathos, even when he's mostly ignorant of how he's running cover for those wearing MAGA hats, and some trump supporters that are actual nationalists, ethnocentrism people and Supremacists calling themselves conservatives or ,the irony, VIRTUE SIGNALLING themselves as valuing conservative values: Of course, we can't immediately assume the start of him filming is the actual start of this conflict between the shop owner and disgruntled customer, as he literally starts filming in the middle of this conflict which makes this analysis a bit not objective again, but I do agree that the shop owner should have kept a calm state of mind and being in handling this guy, when there's also the possibility that the Trump guy here could be intentionally pissing off this guy for the opportunity to film him this way and make further false appeals to a leftist being unfair to a guy wearing a Trump support shirt or some MAGA hat. If anything this also demonstrates how political slogans or labels can trigger and change other people's states of mind and being from just perceiving those slogans

I would but I don't want to get warning points and another suspension for posting hate speech or promoting demonization or close mindedness and being a jerk here.

@Extreme Z7 This is actually a good example of when it's mostly an immature take, but some bits of mature wisdom in it despite the victimhood narrative.

@ryandesreu If he was smarter he'd better off leaving the store several seconds when the two guys where bickering, ditch the products someplace and left the two immature gentlemen to sort their girly issues out.

@ryandesreu Are you responding to this post?: @lostingenosmaze ? Similar situation I found myself in a couple of weeks ago, not this intense but I was in a que and then I saw a disgruntled customer and cashier go at it, and the disgruntled guy was trying to involve me in it that I just left my stuff there and left the store not wanting any part of their bitching nor want to be some witness to some stupid case ???

I don't know much of Zuby's podcast, or his biases, whether his left middle or right leaning, but apparently a fan of Hodge Twins for more than ten years: I'm also an ex fan, for roughly that time, for their old content and comedy mixed with fitness and junk food reviews, although never cared for their fitness or junk food stuff, only for the comedy and ridiculous shenanigans they come up with. However, when they became more political, after is when it didn't resonate, too much pandering to white supremacists and alt right a bit, using ads for a pick up truck, and their 'Chinese virus affiliation code' or something, and repeating most right wing talking points. That's where I drew the line. They're sellouts not because they're traitors, mainly because of their fast switch to more political takes with comedy, just because they did this reaction the wrong way. Can't find the video but if you guys find that short video of them reacting to a big Indian guy taking that maga hat from a white teen, splashing his drink on him and walking away, that short. EDIT: Found that clip, and the original from I think Instagram or Tik Tok, the two white teens were taller and slender and the guy doing the assaulting is much bigger: https://youtu.be/_2DPW5AmRE8

@Ajax Typically the muscles around the eyes tense, followed by other areas of the face as the conscious mind puts effort into focusing, and the subconscious mind is agreeing or disagreeing with what thoughts/feelings arise, caused by word choices, the topic discussed, the loaded statements/question said to the person. I assuming you're referring to James Cameron? Not too sure myself exactly why there's that range of tensions on the face when concentrating, it may be because in earlier life the person sees faces scrunched up, and it's very closely followed by the word focusing or concentrating, or when someone says to you and emphasizes that the other guy with that thinking face is 'concentrating'. IDK, to me seems also like that person's mind is accessing other mental representation systems(NLP=Neuro-linguistic-programming) when the eyes look at certain directions, like upwards or upwards left accessing a visual memory, or upwards right is imagining a visual, left for auditory memory and right for imagined or constructed auditory, lower right for constructed kinesthetic or feelings and lower left for remembering feelings and kinesthetic senses. Some people are so hard wired, for example Elon Musk, that their heads typically follows briefly where the eyes look, whilst accessing that part of the brain. I will be analyzing James Cameron's behavior in that interview, and also the other one too later, but do feel free to post what you think and observe when looking at that interaction.

Another example, despite it being 10 minutes it's enough to observe body language and tonality and how words are used between the interviewer and James Cameron:

@Schizophonia Stippling usually more the fingers and sometimes the thumb connecting on the tips is typically a power sign, that you're subconscious mind is displaying confidence and power through the hands. When seated typically it's on the table, or slightly raised above, or sometimes on the lap combined with other body language signs and tonality that gives confidence. Sometimes stippling can be in the prayer position, maybe with some fingers interlocked and middle/index fingers or just index fingers pointing like Kevin did in that podcast, both a sign of defensiveness yet wanting to display power or emphasis on what was said or did. Of course, stippling alone I can't determine if it's your habit of just displaying power or 'master minding' a situation, or it's something else as you've stated you like doing this a lot so it's a bad habit of yours. This is why in body language analysis we need several other contexts and other signs together to see where you're incongruent or congruent with your conscious mind's statements and word choices to tonality and non verbal cues, so just looking at your hand position alone there can technically mean much more.

This is a really good one, Megan interacting with a very natural interviewer. These types can bring out much more from each other, and thanks to the YouTuber who did this, had a suspicion that Megan was a Narcissist or a sociopath from some of the validation seeking signs:

@charlie cho What do you mean logic even on lawful circuits need time to develop? Do you think that laws are like electrical circuits? And why assume I'm lacking patience and how do you know I'm inpatient? Are you looking at Andrew Tate objectively? He was a fraud sexually in making money with sex cams, do you mean tax fraud via cryptocurrency and web cam girls business via coercion and pimp methods? If you IDGAF about him manipulating his girlfriends, why do you care more about Andrew Tate than the women he victimized and the business people he ripped off and avoiding paying his taxes? What do you mean truth? Truth from Andrew Tate, all that matrix talk and other red pill BS? What if ABSOLUTE TRUTH of this situation, is that Andrew Tate is a sex trafficking rapist who lies to his fans, the girls, and an egotistical person that thinks he can get away with everything from pimping to tax fraud? As a role modal, is Andrew Tate worth modelling for younger men, Andrew the pimping tax fraudster?

@Ninja_pig Two examples of maturity, here's and example from Kate being more mature minded than Megan here:

Good general analysis of the interviews and how they communicated. While this guy isn't a body language analyst, he's giving good review and critique of the interviewing frame works, and comparing the two personalities and communication styles of Megan and Kate. Also body language analyzed their non verbals, their tonality for defensiveness and deception, not only of Megan and Kate but of William and Harry and the interviewer as well when camera widens to show the 5 in that camera shot: Other than the focus of this video being the two women, I again taken the body language, mannerisms of William and Harry as well in reaction to what these women have said which is very telling. After interview sets frame of conversation, giving credit to Kate, Kate with karate chopping hands emphasis generosity(1:28-1:30). Especially the multiple times when Kate was band wagon fallacy, and being inclusive with the 'we' and together' word choices, sometimes she quick glances at William, quick subtle eyebrow raises(sign of surprise, emphasis and social approval/connection), and in that camera angle I see William(1:30-1:36), who was leaning forwards, elbows on thighs, hands in prayer, knees open, then shifts up briefly, hands rubbing knees, quick adjust of suit and crosses knees, all in reaction to Kate saying "Actually it's just-actually going right to the beginning-" followed by hands emphasis and eyebrow raise and slight head shake. Whilst William adjusts Harry, leaning more to Megan and away from interviewer, jaw clenches and retracts lips briefly also in response, both feet and hands closed whilst keens apart and trying to appear confident yet defensive.

I rest my case, Andrew Tate is a shrewd character: https://www.actualized.org/insights/andrew-tate-teaches-sex-trafficking

Wait, is his trial still ongoing? How is it taking so long, and why are they letting Andrew Tate and his brother film themselves whilst in house arrest????

@lostingenosmaze YIKES! I'm so glad I've finally over that whole stream and online community, so toxic it's insane I didn't leave earlier. SHEESH.

@StarStruck @Dauntment If this is an example of sellouts, this is it boys.

@Leo Gura Can't even stay calm and rational when debating as well, must be triggered by handsome beautiful Hasan: That's enough from me. Guy's clearly guilty and if this was 200 years ago he'd be hanged or guillotined for the criminal offenses.

@Leo Gura I take that after this blog post, you'll make a Andrew Tate philosophy part 2: How to overcome this BS ideology: https://www.actualized.org/insights/andrew-tate-teaches-sex-trafficking

@StarStruck Do you mean 'lion' tearing up a gazelle? Also, why are you falsely equating and conflating Leo Gura with Elon Musk???

@zurew I agree. How Patrick Bet Dave found Andrew Tate and Tristen Tate worth his time to interview and good faith frame is beyond me, and if you know why please tell because they've been arguing more for his innocence or whatever their reason why is.

Slightly different podcast, get see more of their body language to dissect them apart:

Now, this is them in their environment, within their conservative twins framing, but covering a more serious issue. Good to compare and contrast with the podcast they did: Notice some slip ups and assumptions and ego projections that they sled underneath the joking and humour they do.

34:30 to 38:30 is the part I was referring to when they omitted the two statements and didn't described how they reacted that made them lose so many followers. A lot of tells, body language and tonality of defensiveness and disengagement in that time frame, less of deception, but the fact they changed the story is also I'd consider deception here which is why they didn't show as much deception in body language because Keith is telling a half truth, a partial truth that did happened but omitted a few details that would have made them look less than objective conservatives to their current viewers. 1:04:20 to1:10:00, so much to deconstruct. Lots of hand and face movements from Kevin when talking of the Ukraine/Russia war, what if Donald Trump was president which is fantasy. Also eyebrow raise on 'war' from Kevin, seeking social approval, emphasis or surprise, maybe it's emphasis but plus the crossed arms and hand finger movements I'm feeling some defensiveness. Right before Kevin emphasizes 'war', Keith was like 'There's people dying in Ukraine' and other words I couldn't pick up, but I see jerky quick shoulder shrug followed by wide splayed hands, palms facing together and a tensed face, don't know if it's surprise or of disbelief of what happened or disbelief of what he's saying himself. Kevin also indicates a past timeline with his right thumb pointing backwards, implying a future timeline of forwards for him, and also Keith does this sometimes. However, outside body language analysis,. I FEEL some disingenuous intent here, because when he did that gesture plus said 'wars today are not like wars of the past', 'nobody wins' with hands waving from wrist position away that statement, and 'when Russia invaded Ukraine, there's so many things that could be used to prevent them from happening', there's shaking of the head quick and briefly, followed by hand touching each other either to sooth or to self protect, and Kevin's face lights up with a mix of disapproval or disagreement with sudden surprise of that last part of the statement. Personally like this part, and found out this is common in every podcast they do together. Some passive aggressiveness and tension between Adam and Patrick here1:06:00 to 1:07:00, back and forth around what Biden would've done or should've done, and signs of defensiveness and building tension, which resolves slightly when Patrick noticeably raises his tonality to Adam of what he'd do, and is still facing forwards and not even acknowledge Adam's existence, Patrick's leaning slightly away, his right shoulder closest to Adam is much lower than his left, he's like, IMO, talking to a ghost or the screen in front of him, and raising his tone to...nothing. Contrast and compare this exchange and how more receptive and socially connective he is to the Hodge Twins, his guests, than to the professional side kick or 'partner' to his right which he rarely acknowledges mostly by tone if at all. Also, in that brief whole exchange he merely did a few quick glances to Adam but mostly faces away from him, looking forward again with active hands, arms, sometimes using index fingers to 'frame' or to 'make a point' which IMO is aggressive subconscious cues of trying to challenge the other but Patrick consciously suppressing that. Adam also having a mix of less defensive and more open and supplicating gestures towards Patrick, from what his face, hands, arms, and his reorientation to look almost square towards Patrick, SEEKING THAT SOCIAL CONNECTION/APPROVAL, whilst being passive aggressive when Patrick pushes back briefly here and there. Very interesting back and forth for both 'equal partners'. Oh my god, IMO this 'why Nancy Pelosi is presidential something' section is worth replaying for all the body languages between Adam and Patrick and Keith and Kevin, so much to unpack here it's AMAZING. First off, Adam and Patrick debate briefly here, and now I'm reading the body language and tonality, I think really it's Adam raising good points, and is desperate for Patrick's social approval here, because in this 'debate' Patrick still keeps facing forward, not reorienting to Adam, not a face turn and eyebrow raise to Adam, not a turn and open hand connection, not a turn and nod, not even a slower pace and calmer tone to deescalate, just slightly tonality raised by both in slight combat, and Adam gets slightly more animated and gesticulates, throws a verbal 'I got you, two steps ahead man. I'M WITH YOU ALREADY' kind of statements, with eyebrows raised for social approval which Patrick denies him of, it's like positionally the Hodge Twins and the screen are more socially valuable than Adam himself in this social setting, which in his POV i can understand how frustrating that is when your subconscious is seeking social approval but isn't getting that, despite the word choices and some words being charged. On the topics of immigration and the border, Keith and Kevin give so much body language that it'll be long to unpack, but I'll say what jumps to me. When Keith talks about comparing the left and right and Republicans being better politicians, there's a lot of defensive and deceptive body language, and that last part where he praises the Republicans, he retracts his lips inwards and tensed left smirking, a universal sign of 'contempt' and the retracting of lips is mostly the non verbal subconscious mind disagreeing with what's said. 1:17:59 to 1:18:42. 'FYI, for you Adam' says Patrick in a slight condescending tone , pointing with his right thumb to him, but in a backhanded way, palm directly facing Patrick almost in the exact position a person giving the middle finger would give in front of him, that bit suggests to me that to Patrick Adam is an afterthought. For Christ sake, what a pompous sign of superiority complex, clearly to me this 'partnership' between Adam and Patrick is not equal. I'm feeling sorry for Adam LOL. At 1:18:42 - 43 to 1:19:03, Adam puts his hands up, signaling surrender and says 'Let me change the question differently, okay?" Gives good eye contact, brief eyebrow raise and left hand open and pointing to Patrick in friendly supplicating way, as he describes and frame changes by saying 'Patrick, you're an immigrant not born in America right?-and so are you guys-' then Adam says he's a 'Russian immigrant and his family were Russian immigrants that fled the Bolshevik revolution in the 1970's or whatever' and gives this revolving waves of his hands as if hands shrugging above his shoulders, head wobbling with slight eye frown and slight shoulder shrugs, all typical of an 'I don't know' as shrugging normally means, I think his I don't know is the date of his family fleeing exactly. Adam stutters with this 'Do you think that immigrant(hands emphasis this part)-like I FEEL that I-I-I-I WHOLE HEARTEADLY BELIEVE' right at the end of the stuttering, while he's saying whole heartedly agree, he gives left handed karate chops to the table, with most of his upper body to emphasis that he really does care for immigrants. Don't know if this is deceptive, but he's emphasizing here. At 1:19:01 -07, continues statement 'BELIEVE that immigrants should be PROPPED UP AND APPRECIATED MORE(Hands emphasizing palms to Adam) than they should be(looks to either Keith or Kevin, eyebrows raised for emphasis/social approval/surprise)', after that he quickly turns he's palms outwards, eyebrows flash and a mix of shrugging and defensiveness flashes when he says' I don't know-I'M-I'M-I'M saying right and left(hands alternate right and left, remains in that defensive shrugging-'. Camera cuts to Keith interrupting Adam, saying 'YOU CAME THROUGH THE FRONT DOOR' tone raised noticeably aggressive for the first time, with right hand finger pointing with index, right shoulder level with chin as if he's aiming a gun at Adam, subconsciously very aggressive, posture slight lean towards Adam, then quickly Keith consciously corrects his finger pointing by bringing rest of fingers to point with a quick wrist flick and maintains this palms downwards to the table whilst emphasizing the next words 'YOU'RE FAMILY CAME FROM THE FRONT DOOR' adjusts aim to Patrick, with that wrist flick, downwards palm and arm level same, aiming a 'gun to Patrick as well saying 'HE CAME THROUGH THE FRONT DOOR', then when referring to illegal immigrants his right hand adjusts and thumb points to the back and right 'THESE PEOPLE AIN'T COMING THROUGH THE FRONT DOOR'. Each of Keith's raised statements Adam was saying 'Correct' in a level tone with slight supplication/defensiveness given Keith's outbursts. Adam adjusts and says' well, then my question would be that are we villainizing these IMMIGRANTS when-' Kevin this time interrupts by saying 'WE SHOULD BE'. Well, we now know, and if you've watched their recent content and takes in their conservative twins channel of the immigration, that they clearly are very opinionated with regards to this issue and don't realize how lucky they are being born and raised in America, despite being poor, in comparison to being born poor in some 3rd world country fighting to get into the USA.