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@Raze Sure although Onision is a bit worse than SSSniperwolf. All honesty I get why she'd dox Jakefilms and how she'd be feeling, but there are better ways to handle Jakefilms, like reporting every video that slanders her for misinformation, misleading titles and thumbnails, or other infractions she could use against him. Another would simply be ignore him, but that's risky becuase there's mounting PR damage and reputation lost if he's gonna keep on hating and critic videos on her. Doxxing seems like a really risky move and does escalate from her end. I'd honestly advice her to keep on reporting his videos or even channel and work with YT against him, and don't make a response video of him, don't even mention him in socials, just mention there's an online stalker from YouTube trying to defame and slander her. Any other choices like intimidation, blackmail, coercion or other dark manipulation tactics is not advisable as she's also a bit guilty of ripping off content herself. As far as taking this to court it's another issue, as I don't know enough if it's illegal or if there's a good legal case for her side. She can actually report his channel that's dedicated to hating on her as slanderous and harassing her, pretty sure YT would take that down in that situation.

@something_else Integral Theory people? Willing to guess it's immature stage green trolls and haters on the internet with a younger demographics and psychographics. As I said, I'm fine if it's too simplified and he preaches Spiral Dynamics to a wider, younger audience. It's an introduction, and now they know it's a thing in concept. Yes the tradeoff is like 'casting pearls before swine', diluting the teaching and modals by widening the niche and broadening to a wider target audience and higher risk of misunderstanding and stereotyping other groups via Spiral Dynamics, justifying demonizing and dehumanizing others. The question then becomes does the costs justify the marketing of this modal, and the benefits outweigh the costs? Same thing with Actualized.org, introducing this website and Leo Gura to a wider audience.

@bebotalk I'd argue making an entire YT Channel hating and critiquing one person is just as bad, if not worse as every video made in that Channel gets the algorithm to recommend that to viewers, which influences her potential viewers she could have gained to be much less, reputational damage so to speak, so I get her frustration. Doesn't justify her ripping off Tik Tok shorts, but she's human and a person found out a big name YT Channel is targeting you and hating on you and joking about you as one whole Channel I'd feel pissed, like stop scary away my future customers.

@bebotalk Fair enough. I did a body language analysis thread about Destiny and Mr. Girl's drama here: And found him both defensive and lying about the drama, so I don't trust him. The other guy ain't innocent either, and a narcissist, but after doing a body language analysis in his video on his site, that's genuine stress and defensiveness with lower probability of lying. Destiny's higher on lying, as he's a sociopath. I've outgrown Destiny as well so even though yes Destiny has some solid and reasonable political takes, it's without the gotcha moments and drama farming, hate when he jokes too.

@PurpleTree That's easy. North Korea.

@PurpleTree The worst types are probably the Zars monarchy from Russia and the French Monarchy before, as they didn't adjust quickly to feeding the needy, so they ended up building discontent and revolutionaries used that against them, and offed their heads. Also majority of imperialist China, and the Mongol horde. Not just funny hats, but steel masks too.

@Raze It's a good move, from an ideological survival standpoint. Spiral Dynamics will propagate through the information ecology we have, and this particular person's presentation of Spiral Dynamics, while a bit simplified and tailored to his bias and preferences, I think this interpretation from him and how he communicates this modal to a wider audience is a good thing. Does it have it's drawbacks? Yes, but at least in this way it's propagated and spreads to the minds of the listeners, and if some of them are serious in investigating this modal, and take their self actualization journey, they'll go down the rabbit hole. For now this is fine because you have to factor in the big tech companies and the negative effects that social media and Tik Tok has had for 10+ years in the internet, and how corrosive they are to attention, mental health, and so on, so this method of presenting the Spiral Dynamics modal for that type of audience could make the difference for some of those people, even if there's greater risk of misunderstanding, misinterpreting and misapplying the modal.

It's just such a tricky and nuanced situation. Even if I ignore and blacklist Destiny and people like him, that doesn't stop them from sickening the minds of their followers and fanbase. I tend to think the following scenarios of these consequences: 1. Normalizing dog piling and doxxing, that someone with a good argument or good refutation against Destiny, Destiny doxxes them and some of his fanbase dog piles and cyber bullies that person, even harassing them and sending letters to their work place, asking them to let off this person, therefore reputation damage and endangering their career path or work life. Even if I ignore a person, their followers and them still keep doing these low consciousness takes and continue spreading their ideology. The potential financial wealth from some money spent in donations, to attention and time lost is even more dangerous. 2. Relationships and family get negatively impacted, that some of those followers are spending too much time giving their attention and donations to people with an enclosed ideological echo chamber, and feed into this para socialization more and less time spent with real people relationships in the real world and more time in the digital. Not to mention again the negative personality and psychological effects these carry over into the real world. Even in an ideal situation, I ignore these streamers and online personalities and continue my LP avoiding such people perfectly, I will deal with such streamers and their followers in the real world, I have to deal with some people who have normalized immature mindsets from such online communities, normalized toxic behaviors and views of the world. I still have to interact with some people with massive short attention span, self entitlement, and inability to focus or be mature minded when talking or listening.

@Juan I find that the level of discourse that these online creators and streamers have is getting lower and lower, as we keep empowering big tech companies to make more addictive online content like with Tik Tok, increasing short attention span, narcissism, self entitlement, and sociopathic/psychopathic traits. The content creators take this neoliberalism/capitalism ideology on blind faith, and participate in this Game A playing field were we over value stage orange materialism, and transactional relationship via digital value of click rate and views meaning more monetization. The more time passes the more fake it feels. For example, in Destiny's case, when he's talking about the Israel/Palestinian conflict he doesn't mind being pro Israel as public enemy number 1 is HAMAS and Destiny get's to reframe and deflect, from any valid solid critic and argument in good faith, to bad faith uncharitable takes of Destiny's arguments as just the other side supporting HAMAS, get's to pivot to any refutation of Destiny's argument as terrorist sympathizers. Why? Because in the American culture, and western cultures in general they are a terrorist group. Problem solved, just kill the bad guys in Palestine and Palestine gets saved. No, it's a deeply systemic issue that goes as far as 80 years ago and much more, which started with the Zionists and alt right nationalists within Israel's upper class rule seeking an ethnostate. Even though the region in general had Spiral Dynamics stages purple/red dominant areas with some staunch stage blue countries like Iran and Egypt nearby, with their religious nationalism, Israel's slightly higher development, and the historical conflict between Judaism and Islam over a holy land territory land locks and conflict locks Israel with it's neighboring tribes and societies. Just the same when Destiny poisons the well with John Mearsheimer's argument for why the Ukraine and Russia conflict is the west's fault, instead of looking at his argumentation and deconstructing it, he just slanders and name calls John Mearsheimer via calling one of his sources a Nazi sympathizer, gets the mind slaying tactic, problem solved. This is clearly a deep systemic issue in the online community structures, how the internet is today, and big tech companies monopolizing on people's attention spans whilst reducing the grey matter in their brains with this corrosive social media platforms. No, it's not problem solved when your entire career relies on riling up the crowd and indoctrinating into them negative states of being and enforcing this para socialization. Doing so just enforces this echo chamber he has in his community of pursuing bad faith uncharitable and gotcha moments arguments rather than trying to solidly argue or even have a good discourse.

@Juan I want a discussion about Destiny and this AVI guy, and users' thoughts and comments of how they talked about Israel/Palestine conflict in this way. Not just criticize, but review and share what you think they should have communicated. You did say in the past you use Tik Tok for those very short animations and remixes? So that immediately biases you for Tik Tok and social media usage even when there's a growing net negative that social media has for the younger generation and brain development. There's a difference between blindly consuming highly addictive social media cites like Tik Tok versus writing posts here in this forum for my use and for my contemplations of reality. The overall volume is bigger for me, but more important the quality of those posts versus yours is higher for me, and lower for you as you keep on attacking and trolling against me even when I put you on ignore. Your behavior is more immature than my own behavior here in this forum. I have enough interactions and exchanges with you to consider you wholly low quality. Again, participate in this thread or don't. Give and thoughtful post, or don't and leave. Posting this thread would be locked is also low quality.

@Raze Not a cult leader, but having a cult personality, and being a sociopathic liar, as I covered him on my body language thread. Yes, while I am now more leaning against him and am biased against him, I don't 100% biased against him. He is a skilled debater himself and can think in neat categories, and has good rhetorical persuasive skills that his fallacies feel natural and reactive against his arguers, as if those fallacies and appeals to logos, ethos and pathos is justified against an oppositional ideology. Again based on many develo0pmental factors like Stages of development, cognitive and moral development, personality typing/traits, 9 stages of ego development, Integral Theory other lines of development in life and societal domains, and other ideological beliefs indoctrinated by society, culture, family upbringing, information intake like newspapers, news from mainstream and alternative, radio, video, tv programs, social media and many more that manufactures consent in the population, I consider Destiny to be many times a polarizing figure. Main gripe with Destiny is that he's becoming more popular and has a growing range to spread his ideology to others unaware of his manipulation tactics and dynamics. He's clearly wrong and biased at times, like his take on Mearsheimer which is clearly poisoning the well and trying to slander his credibility to his own fanbase. I don't like that. It's great Destiny has these debate skills and thinks the way he does in many categories and tries to argue from the opposition's side too like arguing for abortion rights or arguing for capitalism or arguing certain topics and skillful in reframing in debates, but he's too poisoned by his own ideology of Neoliberalism and capitalism to be intellectually honest and have integrity when it counts, and people as time goes on will Para socialize onto him, and be swept into his cult like dynamics of his online community. Also, him and other hundreds of online personalities and social media influencers normalizing the internet and social media when it's harmful to a developing mind is another issue I have with him, just sweeping under the rug how social media brain rots a viewer and consumer and increase ADD/ADHD like symptoms, which Destiny also has by his own admission, which should make him advocate more against social media right? Well, due to the format of the platforms that maximizes clicks and views, how the Algorithms and A.I curate content and hook user's attentions and maintains them(like Tik Tok), and this shorts and vines they produces is increasing ADD/ADHD, narcissism, sociopathy and psychopathy in users, further retarding also their social intelligence as face to face communications and interfacing with the 3d world is replaced with more interactions with a screen in front of you. I don't post about Destiny all the time, but occassionally like this video that popped in my YouTube feed. I've mostly put Destiny on ignore and unsubscribed.

@bebotalk I stand corrected, but that doesn't change my post above, that monarchies are part of human development and impossible to skip over. That's why socialism and communism sucks because those cultures think they can skip capitalism and neoliberalism and stage orange and secularism. They can't, and when they do, they suffer collectively, hence why those communist countries go back down and integrate capitalism into their framework. Also, patriarchy and a limited democracy is useful, like a small republic similar to Rome, because egalitarianism, multiculturalism and feminism have negatively impacted birthrates in westernized secular countries like Japan, South Korea, Canada, USA, UK, EU countries. Even Russia's USSR and Mau's party, when they overthrew their theocratic country, turned it secular and legalized abortion, suffered a birthrate decline, so much that Russia, some extent to China, and even Japan cannot natively reproduce the threshold for replacement numbers in their country, which makes them import immigrants from countries with theocracy dominant rule, which can reproduce themselves.

@bebotalk Just because people are not good or bad, that doesn't mean they should communicate in a boring way. Lex Fridman's tonality, and body language, and presentation and word choices is monotone, my best guess is he had a stroke and survived, or he's born with a hyper active left brain hemisphere. Very few people are like Lex Fridman. Also his integrity is questionable as he supports Elon Musk and Joe Rogan and even Donald Trump, and has a technocrat bias. He's not trustworthy for communicating love and truth and consciousness because the devils will misinterpret those truths through him.

@Juan If every time I make a post and thread, and all you're thinking is 'locked', then you are low quality consciousness. One example of using and consuming too much Tik Tok and social media, when it makes you think it's fine to harass and insult and stalk another User that has nothing to do with you.

@bebotalk "There is no such thing as good or bad, but thinking makes it so.". By William Shakespeare.

@Carl-Richard That sucks, hope you get better. get plenty of rest, sleep, and honey tea.

This whole situation is another example of why patriarchy exists, and why there should be enforcement arms and enforcement mechanisms that protects and enables laws and rights. Since Palestine doesn't have a big enough army itself, as a result of the 80 years of skirmishes, border wars, and the few wars between Israel versus Iran, Egypt, Syria, Lebanon, and other regions, and the ceasefire agreements, and Israel gaining territorial defensive positions and a growing army with some support from the west, it is far more powerful than Palestine, thus it can enforce it's standards and defend it's own agenda and self determine more than Palestinians. This is where egalitarianism, multiculturalism, and secularism fails miserably for Palestinians, as all they're left with is HAMAs, a terrorist group, which can maintain itself because there are Zionists in power in Israel that are pushing for that ethnostate.

@Carl-Richard Because my behavior here is different from my behavior in the real world.

Also, to not defend SSSniperwolf's actions or justify, to clarify, she's a part of a deeper systemic issue going on, of content theft online, that hundreds of others before her committed, and hundreds after her will commit. In fact Penquinz0, Asmongold, XQC, Destiny, and many other big name social media creators part of the react community are part of this massively growing problem: To me, this systemic issue in comparison to SSSniperwolf stealing Tik Tok content, the systemic issue is far deeper and more important and impactful to address, yet nobody does so because of the multipolar trap and Moloch as described by Daniel Schmachtenberger and others like him. Nobody wants to raise the alarm bells of a potentially negative action when the majority and society are mass hallucinating and are benefiting from this Game A dynamic.

@Buck Edwards Yes, while I agree that SSSniperwolf was ripping off tik tok content and doing some content theft, my perspective on Jakesfilm creating another YouTube Channel dedicating to coitizing and borderline hating on SSSniperwolf. I've been in YT long enough that most content makers and reactors, who figured out what content they want, if they have a problem for example related to Logan Paul and his situation, that YT person makes a react video or response video, give their critique and comment, AND THEN return to their main content making type. When I heard Jakesfilm make a Channel to just critique SSSniperwolf it's too much, which ended up creating this cycle of hatred and back and forth, a mini Ukraine/Russia conflict or even a mini Israel/Palestine conflict between then, and finally in this back and forth SSSniperwolf felt she needed to escalate and stop Jakesfilm annoying commentary and critiquing of her by doxxing him and his wife's location. So, for this specific situation, while I don't agree and disagree with SSSniperwolf's actions and her copying and stealing Tik Tok content, I also disagree with how Jakesfilm chose to handle and escalate on his end prior, when he chose to make a YT Channel attacking SSSniperwolf. I think both are being immature with this whole situation. I hope both grow up, go their separate ways, and at least one takes the mature path and continue their LP. I hope Jakesfilm goes back to figuring out his existence on planet earth and better his LP, and SSSniperwolf grows out of her stealing content and start making some original content. Hope both learn their lessons here.

@bebotalk It depends on the other developmental factors, and it's mainly your bias and preferences. As long as you have the intent to reconcile and forgive yourself, and are willing to integrate further, it's fine.

The point of monarchies, in terms of developmental factors like Spiral Dynamics stages of development, cognitive and moral development, ego development, personality typing/traits, Integral Theory's other lines of development in life and societal domains, ideological beliefs indoctrinated by culture, family upbringing, and information ecology one consumes, is that Monarchies served as a way to create conformity and enforce patriarchy and traditional hierarchy in a region where at the time feudalism and theocracy was the mainstream. Each feudal and theocratic group that is mostly stage blue will defend it's collective ego that the royalty, aristocracy, autocratic rulership is in, down to the servants and peasants and villagers that serve each landlord. It functioned as a way to increase community and group cohesion for it's own in-group, and defends against other out-groups and other cultures trying to absorb and assimilate the in-group that is patriarchic or matriarchic, Each tradition structure from other cultures and other civilizations have to do this out of survival of the ego, per person to the ideology each ego attaches to that gives the ego meaningful existence. Monarchy and other older structures nowadays, especially in stage orange to stage green societies are cultural trappings, and cultural zeitgeists in stage orange/blue nationalist and patriotic countries. Even secular countries allow aspects of past Eras like temples, churches, Mosques, Synagogues, and other religious iconography and other old world aspects as a way to add to that culture's appearance.

@Carl-Richard Under your metrics, I guess I'm a philosophical and existential contrarian? A metaphysical iconoclast?

This one's really good. Notice the levels of confusion this player is experiencing trying to understand spirituality and hermeticism as a concept to understand what the game and story plot really is: Notice how immaturely he understands those advanced concepts.