Danioover9000

@Twentyfirst That's also true that other men can create and give/take away rights from other men, as well a give/take away rights from women and even children if some of them harm other people. That doesn't mean Feminism is 100% right, because that plus egalitarianism, secularism, and Neoliberalism is contributing to declining birthrates in Japan, South Korea, Canada, USA, some European countries, Russia and China, and the UK. Most westernized countries have this birthrate issue and high divorce rates, and most westernized countries have to source from other populations with a theocratic religious background, countries that can reproduce itself. How can this be good for this western valued countries in the future if they don't integrate religion and theocratic principles, and just let individualism and liberalism morally bankrupt the country? In fact most humanism and secularism heavily borrows from religion and theocracy.

@StarStruck Like yoye profile pic?😂 Elon Musk isn't a good role modal for people to follow, unless you're pro childhood trauma? Did yoy know your hero Elon Musk suffered severely in his childhood?

@StarStruck So Elon Musk is truly a beacon of light inspiring millions of people in failing their small business, increasing their debt, and normalizing this narcissism and idiocy of being a capitalist via false bravado? How is he so inspirational that his teachings would ruin most of people's lives? Just because Lex Fridman is a fangirl of ElonMusk and Joe Rogan doesn't mean he's a good example of how to live your life purpose, by acting boring with a monotone voice.

So true.

@Juan Okay bra. You do trolling, and sipping Tik Tok Kool Aid. You keep to you, and me to me, so leave me alone and stop derailing this thread and instigating heated discourse bud.

@bebotalk Something needs to be done about the streamer/content creator culture, it's almost as bad as the mental health issues increased by social media nowadays. That part of the internet needs a lot more regulation.

@Twentyfirst The main issue with feminism is deep denial that the patriarchy makes and gives rights for women, by men. Feminists don't want to admit they exist because some men chose to enforce their ideology and protect it from other men who don't like feminism. Equal legal standing was made and enforced by men to begin with. Now what if some women don't benefit from Feminism, and femunism as an ideology is increasing women's mental health issues, making them act like men and act with too much rationality? What if we need to regulate feminism in some places?

@bebotalk That's true based on many developmental factors like spiral dynamics stages of development, cognitive and moral development, personality typing and traits, 9 stages of ego development, Carl Jung's Archetypes modal, Integral Thoery other lines of development in life and societal domains, ideological indoctrination in family upbringing and culture, and information ecology one consumes which manufactures consent from big tech companies and other big companies trying to profitcfrom customers. Given some research into the mental hqlth issues from social media, how the internet and online spaces increases narcissism, self entitlement, psychopathy and sociopathy traits, reduces attention spans and critical thinking by design, for example Tik Tok, I'm surprised not much is being dkne to manage and mitigate this increasing mental health crisis.

@Twentyfirst That's true, as capitalism and neoliberalism is their ideology, and philosophy, which informs their behaviours and what rule they deem determines better free speach. However, do they realise that free speech began as hate speech? And that to have free speecb one must also have hate speech, because if you value free speech by definition some of that is hate speech expressed freely in speech. If yoy hate hate speech and want to censor and cancel hate speech, then that defeats the purpose of free speech because now that expression is limited and controlled.

Very interesting how there's god slaying even in JRPGs:

@Schizophonia Of course, because the world and western societies are being more humanist and secularist, embracing feminism and egalitarianism, as well as capitalism and neoliberalism, more so than conservativism, and theocratic/religious orthodoxy, and a smaller limited democracy, and even a modern patriarchy. The fallout of this is declining birthrates in secularist countries, high divorce rates from no fault divorce, increasing struggle with committment to long term relationships, and moral degradation of stage blue/orange societies as people become more and more materialist and hyper individualism orientated. God is actually closer to post modernism as God has the following features: Omnipotence. All powerful. Omniscience. All knowing. Omniferous. Producing/consisting of all kinds of things. Omnipresent. All present, or present everywhere, in all existence. Omnificent. Creating all things. Omnigenous. Of all kinds/varieties. And simultaneously, there's the GOD HEAD, or the absolute that underpins all the other forms. Hence why GOD is equivalent to all, to existence, to everything, and to infinity. Of course, atheists like to think god's merely an old guy in the clouds, and belief in the non-belief of the almighty, and belief in a lack of god's existence, yet they're kidding themselves. That's like believing that Santa Claus isn't real, doesn't exist, yet Santa Calus is real and does exist, just not as you imagine or think Santa Claus to be. Both atheists, and theists to some extent, are both inaccurate and wrong in defining what god is, because one side deeply and dogmatically believes in a caricature of god, and the other is deeply in denial of god's existence because that's like admitting you were wrong about religions. Atheists hate losing to theists, and theists losing to atheists is a sin.

@Parallax Mind I wouldn't say modern western societies are 'fully' entrenched in postmodernism, even though most westernized countries have egalitarianism, feminism, humanism, secularism, capitalism, neoliberalism, a democracy bias, modernism, some post modernism as ideological proliferates. There's still some areas of westernized countries that have a Republican, and religious/theocratic way of life. Whatever truth is is based on many factors like Stages of development, cognitive and moral development, personality typing/traits, ego development, Integral Theory's other lines of development, ideological beliefs indoctrinated by culture and family upbringing, and the information ecology one consumes from mainstream media, alternative sources, papers, videos, radio, TV, social media nowadays, and many more that influences consensus opinions. Discerning from what I've said truth has a moral subjectivist and relativistic view to it, however we cannot deny and downplay the religious dogmatic absolutist view, the scientific materialistic view, and the moral subjectivist views on what truth is. I partly agree with what Leo says of postmodernism's strengths but also weaknesses, as different biases and preferences will use postmodernist thinking to suit their political agendas and ideological biases. For example, a person with LGBTQ biases or Transgenderism bias will use that subjectivity and relativism to bolster their positions, yet will deny the moral objectivist view that there is a woman, and there is a man defined by their sex biology and sexual characteristics in their body, and that heterosexuality is mostly why we've survived as a species, as heterosexuality is not a reproductive dead end for the most part, but other sexual orientations mostly are sexual reproductive dead ends for human flourishing. An example of proper use of postmodernism is in conjunction with psychoanalysis, other therapy modals like gestalt therapy, and deconstruction of limiting beliefs systems with self help techniques, and even lays the groundwork for a better self image if one knows how to self construct to a better self image. improper usage and corruption of postmodernism is to more immature stage greens in bolstering their ideology at the cost of stage orange/blue societies falling apart from delusion, like muddying distinctions between gender dysphoria versus transgenderism ideology, and then some who go too early into conversion therapy and do physical alterations to their sex biology, some do regret the changes later on in life which is one example of postmodernism uased badly.

@StarStruck Jokes aside, it depends on what survival and how to survive, based on many developmental factors like value systems, cognition and morality, personality and psychological strains of self, modes of being and becoming, levels of consciousness, ego development, lines of development from Integral Theory, ideological beliefs indoctrinated by culture and family upbringing, and information ecology. If you mean survival in making an honest living, standard mediocre lifestyles, that's one way of surviving. If you mean survival a in living on the edge with your LP, that's another, or living through stage red/blue ways like scamming or grifting is another form of survival. How you define survival and implement is important. Personally I don't do well in high temperature, high humidity environments. Sunshiny days yes, but high humidity no. Humidity makes me weak and more sluggish than normal. Indian cuisine and Indian curry though is well adapted to me as I eat them and it's fine and gives me lots of energy, just the humidity sucks.

@Sincerity True.

@Rafael Thundercat There are probably hundreds of specific ways to deal with this, but generally just calling out such a dynamic is a start.

@Buck Edwards Yes, I don't want to derail but that user has always been trolling me here and bringing the quality of discourse down even when I ignore.

@Juan To be clear, it's not 'I' think 'we' could lock this thread. You don't get to decide if this thread is locked, @Leo Gura, @Sincerity, @Carl-Richard and other moderators have the authority, not you. Don't band wagon fallacy users here and assume we share your views exactly, some don't.

@Buck Edwards What's the alternative for her? Ignore JakeFilms when JakeFilms dedicates one Channel to misinformation and propaganda attacks on her? Yes, granted the premise of that whole Channel is to critic her way of life and her ripping off Tik Tok videos, yet this begs the question if he should have done this knowing that she will backlash against him later? Again. what's your refutation for him influencing potential viewers and subs away from her, thus reducing her potential monetization, reducing her income? How would you feel if you knew someone is reducing your way of life, income and salary? What if the other side sees your hesitation as silent compliance for their harmful behavior? What if SSSniperwolf's silence and ignoring him okays his attacks on her, and her silence causes her more suffering via reducing followers and viewers in the future? In another context, if someone stole your lunch, you should steal theirs or defend yourself and call out that behavior that infringes on your boundaries, that's justifiable. if there are other actions to take to mitigate or avoid putting yourself in situations of lunch theft, do so, otherwise when that theft happens you better prepare to steal back. Of course, in this hypothetical SSSniperwolf's action would be that if you stole lunch from her, and she steals 80% of your food stored and destroys your farm. If propaganda, criticism and hating via YT Channel is stealing lunch, then doxxing is to steal food stores and destroy the farm houses, yes SSSniperwolf's action did escalate the situation, am not arguing specifically this nor justifying it, but how would she have dealt with the lunch theft better, when her livelihood is on the line? I'm thinking along the lines of what's the default action here. Not many people would take the pacifist route if such a path leads to more suffering and okaying JakeFilm's behaviors. Most people are actually okay with a tit for tat approach because 75-80% of the world is still staunch stage blue societies, with simpler cognitive and moral development of binary and absolutist framing, even though there's diversity in personality types/traits, ego development and other lines of development. I'd rather get people to tit for tat and enforce their boundaries, than escalate. In an alternative path SSSniperwolf should have tit for tat, and keep warning JakeFilms of his aggression onto her boundary. If he keeps making those videos that attack her, she should do the same. What she shouldn't have done is escalate which now makes more people go against her and pity JakeFilms more.

@StarStruck I'd survive Indianapolis to India, even police ice cold from seeing me. Concede to me you a meat eating meek bitch, I'd scratch you like a lotto ticket, star struck petite. Doesn't matter if I'm exiled, I'm the best gentile in this game of isometric tiles, you in denial I can ride the Nile. What's the metric, what's the trick? I'll treat myself this treatise and pleasantries.

@An young being Another example, say I'm a nihilist, it's considered Zen devilry when I take Buddha's teaches of caseation to confirm my nihilism and life being meaningless, and confirm my victim mentality and depression. Another historical example, Nazi Germany used the Swastika, which original is a windmill symbol of world peace in Buddhism, for their Aryan race symbolism. Also taking no-self experiences as a way to justify their atrocities is another form of Zen Devilry.

@An young being Which by definition makes it zen devilry, taking out of context a spiritual truth or spiritual techniques to be weaponized in another context. For example, LSD or psychedelic experiences in themselves are not Zen Devilry, but when people, say Charles Manson, uses it to further his cult like dynamics and control to influence his followers.

@bebotalk I actually agree with her dissing him back, and even making a dedicated YT Channel attacking HIM as long as he keeps making critiques and hateful videos of her. Justifiable here. Also agree that Penguinz0 is based as he's also benefiting from ripping off content being a reactor in a react community that normalizes theft of content.

@Juan If doxxing was not actualized, how do you know doxxing is worse than what JakeFilms has done? How is dedicating a YT Channel attacking and hating on SSSniperwolf, influencing her poll of future viewers and followers, reducing her potential followers, and going viral in attacking SSSniperwolf, less harmful than doxxing? I already granted that if they both communicated and talked out their disputes then the situation could have resolved. However, when JakeFilms dedicates an entire YT Channel to hating her, how are both going to negotiate a compromise if JakeFilms demands her to stop ripping off Tik Tok shorts, which makes up a good chunk of her income? If SSSniperwolf demands JakeFilms to take down that entire YT Channel joking and critiquing her, would he do it? Again, how is JakeFilms any less guilty than SSSniperwolf for attacking her career choice and going viral for atacking her? Seems like the potential range of harm is greaters than mere doxxing.

@bebotalk To reiterate, I am not justifying her actions of doxxing him, nor am I justifying his actions of smear campaigning her career choices. Both are very immature in this situation. I can agree not all forms of harm are equal nor quantifiable, as I said it's potentiality of harm of Dooxing versus potential of YT Channel falsely hating and critiquing you, it's in the actualization of those harms that we could discern the equality or differences of hierarchy of harm. For example, if you're whole career is YT, and I dedicate a YT Channel hating and critiquing you, and contribute to your slower growth because I'm influencing your future potential customers to not subscribe or follow you, how is that actualizing harm a lesser harm than doxxing, which almost nobody have taken action towards JakeFilms and his family, merely just sending hate mails to them? Say, from two potentialities, of him acting on posting hateful videos of SSSniperwolf, to SSSniperwolf acting on arriving at his location in real life and doxxing his address and house, comparing the two actualized actions and harms, yes I'd partly agree that her action could have greater more direct harm versus his action of posting hate videos about her and effecting her potential future viewers and followers, which is indirect harm. I don't know, to me intuitionally JakeFilm's actions being indirect and subtle harm to her followers is greeter in danger as that's him effecting her income earnings. I am not aware of any other harm that effected JakeFilms from the doxxing, as nobody has taken real world action to harass him or his family yet, other than hate mail. I have to take MoistCritical's opinion with salt because of this: Doxxing being legal or not is important, if it's legal then JakeFilms can't legally sue her, if it's illegal he can.

@bebotalk But the USSR and Mau's party were secularist countries, that overthrew the ruling monarchs, and were first to legalize abortion and other safe sex methods. Russia is first to do so, and that had generational effect that we see it today, that Russia has a problem with it's own homogenous populace, and declines in it's own birthrates in it's native country, in comparison to Ukraine's increasing population, which effects manpower in military. Yes, both China and Russia doesn't have the neoliberalism and capitalism ideology and western values, but it's westernized in terms of being secular countries. I cite Japan because Japan didn't have such a birthrate decline pre Pacific war, it's after the Americans won with nuclear bombs, and after Japan had to unconditionally surrender and adopt America's western values like egalitarianism and feminism that we start seeing this decline. Yes, the work culture is toxic and that capitalism and neoliberalism also plays a part in the birthrate declines. So is South Korea, I cite South Korea because it's now an American westernized secular country, having egalitarianism and feminism from America as Sough Korea is another key part of American hegemony and geopolitical power, because with America's military there close by, this effectively cuts off access to the sea and Islands from North Korea and China, yet the secularism from America and the capitalism has negative effects to the human flourishing of South Korea. If America wasn't present, and didn't transfer their western values onto Japan and South Korea, and isn't contributing to their decline in birthrates, what else could be? Seems like wherever America's interests and placements are, that country experiences a decline in birthrates. Now I'm not so anti feminist that I want women to be second class citizens generally, I'm pointing out that with feminism it inflates egotism in feminists, hyper individualism, that more women think they can just prioritize career and jobs first and family and marriages second. This type of thinking actually can be detrimental because there'd be a spike in female workers competing in some jobs and industries with average of male workers being there. That, plus immigration of foreigners trying to apply in those same types of jobs, doubles the competition for those types of jobs that the native population would have benefited from. The notion of women being second class citizens is also questionable because the majority of human history is autocratic and patriarchal, meaning that rights and laws were made by man, and enforced by men, so if all men decided that women should not have rights, what's stopping them from taking away their rights?