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If Israel would harm civilians intentionally I would agree with you, but this is not at all the case.

@Raze Not true. hamas will not release the hostages without the military pressure. Imagine your friends and family were hostages in Syria and think whether you would not flip Syria upside down to release them. Part of the actions are aimed also to psychological purposes in order to rise the pressure, but you guys are so judgmental when it comes to Israel when you know quite well that you would do the exact same.

@_Archangel_ Think seriously about what would you do if you have for 15 years to go through countless operations that lead to nothing and when one day your entire village were killed or kidnapped while Gazans citizens are celebrating giving out toffy candies.

@_Archangel_ To understand something logically like an history lesson is not enough. It is interesting that when it comes to the palestinians responsibility to the problem, the "understanding" here is conceptual and logical almost like to understand dry data and numbers. But when it comes to Israel responsibility it is really enough to just read an article about a stupid soldier who robbed a grocery store, to be so attached to it emotionally and throw it on the entire military forces, that by the way, are now sacrifice themselves and their lives in one of the most dangerous and trapped war zones in the world. Part of them are half kids that are not less deep or less loving than me and you. Oh no but they are "soldiers", they are just "IDF". No they aren't.

I am not admitting any "massacre". I admit an intention to kill only terrorists but a more lose outcomes because of the explanations I wrote. Every country would behave the same and most likely more if cornered in such a way as France just admitted for example. The inability to see Israel's point of view here is amazing to me. But what can I expect when stage red highly manipulative propaganda like al jazeera gets probably high rating from here. At least if the discussion was fair and every claim was accompanied by an earthly wording explanation. But no, 95% are slogans and cloudy words.

@Leo Gura Also the evacuation from Gaza in 2005 and all the offers to the palestinians to have more than 95% of the west bank area, adding to that the other agreements in the 90s including Oslo, Y and Hebron all of that are a big hole in the "Long term ethnic cleansing" theory.

This is a sum of: 1. hamas's number one survival strategy to hide between and disguise to civilians. 2. The huge amount of terror targets (10,000s) to attack what makes it impossible to think every time how to not hurt civilians even if you really want not to. 3. Israel's patience that over after cornered in such an extreme way physically and also psychologically in a way people here I think highly underestimate and miss out, what makes her to behave looser.

@Breakingthewall That is not at all what I said.

@Leo Gura I am against the settlements, but I still can understand why after 15 years of countless quite surgical operations and exhuastion, and after that horror in october that was celebrated by Gazans citizens in the streets, Israel's patience will be over and it will explode on them.

@zazen But they were offered, and by many mediators (Anapolis conference for examples) and almost the whole world was trying to generate a deal for them and they didn't want to hear. About the conditions, would you let the far more violent side a full access to maritime and air ways from the beginning?

@Bandman Maybe because there are people who still want to hear an authentic first person perspective composed from 36 years of actually living in Israel that maybe can show you some raw insights that aren't cherry picked, aren't distorted and aren't polluted by who knows how many hands that touched it before it came to your eyes. Try to listen also to the other side it won't kill you.

@zazen They have got countless offers to have a state that would stop the settlements expansion right away, and they refused.

After more than 10 smart careful operations with 70% surgicality in the most dense area in the world lead eventually to nothing, leave you exhuasted and your western friends and family give you the cold shoulder, and after all of that you lost 1200+ people in horrific ways when Gazan citizens are celebrating on the streets to this! What the hell any sane country would do? The exact same thing and most likely much more. No sane earthly person would not do what Israel is doing right now if it was him. Unless he is an exceptionally special saint.

@Raze The link tree isn't long enough.

In meanwhile, thousands of young guys who many of them aren't any less deep in their thinking or any less loving than us, walking in the mud of Gaza, sleeping badly, while put their life on a risk out of a conscious choice, and even die every day there. Everyone who wants to be fair, should add Israel's willingness to sacrifice itself to his or her considerations. The shamless garbage situation hamas putted Israel in Gaza is over. Now this is an eye to eye fully symmetric war.

@zazen So if we reduce all that down to the root we get that: Israel is not really allowed to deffend itself.

@zazen Israel is not at all the cause to their behaviour nor to their suffering, but a triggering factor. When someone has some kind of a disorder, I cannot be responsible to his suffering, but I do have responsibility to not make his condition worse especially if I am a familiy member of him or a friend or live nearby him, just like the neighborhood relationships between two societies, with their own unique weaknesses, that required mutual sensitivity to one another to not awake everyone's unique demon.

@BlueOak The hate won't go away so fast, but a new and better authority and education system can change a lot. The question is who can do that? The PLO is still not a good option. Creativity is required here, but Netanyahu cannot be trusted on this. Yes some will radicalize, but some won't, and some maybe the opposite because they know who is the real cause. To say that this is for sure only make them more radical is to give them too little credit, and in other words to say they are just puppets on strings that just react to what Israel does and cannot think independently on the situation, especially after their cult leaders are lost control on them and their doctrine turned out to be a failure.

@kenway Yes. Those children will recover from the cult of hamas that brainwashes them to honor death and to not respect life at all, neither their own life nor other people's lives.

In brief they really don't have nothing here. Surrendering is an act IDF is encouraging terrorists who don't want to die to do. You can say I am wrong and that you don't believe me or IDF, but here, ampirically speaking, there is really nothing more than surrendering.

@Karmadhi Nobody shot those men. Please provide a proof for that far reaching claim.

@Karmadhi There is no a single woman in that video. Maybe one or two children out of 100-200 adults.

And from where do you know they aren't terrorists? From the very moment I saw the author wrote "execution" I understood he is a toxicating devil not worth a serious relation 🙂 But keep linking to absurd claims. The lies industry of hamas is so sick. It is naive to think hamas will have qualms about truth when doesn't have so about life.

Exactly, too instinctively and too automatically I would say, totally from the gut, without realizing that this situation is very tricky and twisted. After countless operations with what I found an average surgicality of ~70% which I think is quite good given hamas's main survival strategy, but repeated frustration and unjustness from the misunderstanding and pressure from western countries on Israel every time again, when hamas get to decieve the world again and again leave Israel exhuasted, and one day kills and abducts 1400 of our people then, the pressure cooker will understandably overflow 🫕

@Vrubel Great point. More popular doesn't mean more right, actually many times (if not mostly?) this is quite the opposite.