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Why do you think hamas would just agree to release them? Does not sound reasonable to me.

@Raze Another one that holds the 0.01% most radical views in our society. from a couple of years of hearing about his views I know this. But hey, this is the game of this thread I kind of used to it.

@zazen A palestinian state = no more settlements expansion. They refused to that. How is the city of Ariel can risk the palestinian state? If someone needs to be really afraid is Ariel's residents. Some extremist settlers (a very tiny minority) that do violent are not at all a security risk to the new state. But if you mean that Ariel has to evacuate, then this is of course not realistic at all, and just proves even more that the Palestinians will make any excuse to not reach a deal.

The "genocide" claim is a total joke 😄 But problems with IDF behaviour? Yes. Of course there are problems.

Not at all from neutrality. From a combination of two main positions depending on the population (but there are more less dominant): 1. Stage red to blue point of view holds by hundreds of millions from where aljazeera for example takes its influence. 2. Stage green good intentions but naive "victim-opressor" scheme that doesn't hold at all in this conflict and actually very twisted in many senses in reality.

Quite a lot of supported evidence have been accumulated throghout the years from the 1920's until today.

+1 ❤ I agree also with the rest but this part is worth emphasizing. It also worth emphasize that Israel, as oppose to the palesinians, has shown very serious desire for peace over the years and there was always one side who rejected all of its proposals. This is true though that the deep right wing in Israel is also problematic and makes the process harder, but still not even close to the degree the palestinians screw up the process again and again.

+1 🧡 Peace isn't their interest. Peace isn't their motivation in life. Their life meaning isn't about to just live in a functional country. Not at all. Israel is like a short circuit gets in the way of the Islamic fundamental point of view having its roots many centuries ago. I will try to find an english version of the interesting interview I heard from a mediteranean expert his claims and perspective are really worth considering.

@zazen Nothing is good enough for the Palestinians. Even when many countries were mediates in the negotiations including Russia and the Arab League. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Annapolis_Conference They just know that if they agree a deal, it mean the acceptance of Israel and the Jews right to settle here in an independent state. Their true goal is to diminish Israel completely.

@Karmadhi Didn't the countless peace offers mean to put the ego aside?

@zazen The peace offers obviously meant that a deal = end of settlements expansion, but the palestinians still refused.

This isn't true. You just can't enter Israel's shoes. 95% of the Israelis are just want to live in their borders and thats all, as long as they aren't provoked severely.

And that is why we should never underestimate our enemy ever again. His deffense mechanism is so manipulative genius. Scary genius.

You really don't understand or you don't want to? Dont tell me. You don't want to. Kill hamas. And yes, hamas is the source of those children missery and their psychological and spiritual death. The truth is not comfortable. Well, that's the trick.

https://www.instagram.com/reel/C11Dg2vIBk-/?igsh=MzRlODBiNWFlZA== Welcome to the "apartheid" 🤗

To let hamas keep in charge on Gaza will be the least moral and the most evil thing that can be thought about - to Israelis but even more so to the palestinians.

This isn't symmetric in any sense. The violence and irresponsibility of the palestinians are many magnitudes higher.

Not just, fair enough, but mainly hamas. Direct experience of living in a society that being treatened and traumatized by terror for 30 years and then the Grand Final celebrated all around Gaza streets in singing and toffy candies.

Everything which is not direct experience is programming by definition it gives you a second hand mediated reality. I am not denying nor the destruction, nor the death toll, nor the fact that IDF could behave better and cleaner at least to some extent for sure there are many acts that are not necessary and do not come from a clean place and they are problematic. But they are a significant minority. When you zoom out in context and in time, the bigger picture tries to tell you some insights you refuse to hear and filters out. Just to sit in a room and moralize all day long when you don't have to risk your life there for 90 days straight in combats against terrorists is super easy and pleasant.

I prefer the direct experience + Israeli media programming above the hamas-aljazeera-bbc one 😇

Sounds like maybe there is something in your psych that tries to suppress you for some reason it worthwhile to investigate, and the current thought is just another expression of this, but it happened before in other forms. What do you think?

@OBEler They had high technical capabilities.

@Karmadhi The blame in your data is 95% on hamas who hide, disguise, and use civilians what lead to those sad results in those operations that had a surgicality of 70% on average which is quite good considering their cynical tactic.

The reason you are not patient now is inside you. I don't like many things that are hapenning now in Gaza and if I could, it would do it otherwise and in a more clean way. But, all of you fail enormously to enter Israel's shoes and you are totally clueless about the reason Israel lost its patient and explode on Gaza after 30 years of torture and fear (and many-many polite and surgical operations...) Israel citizens are going through and are exhuasted from.

So according to your perception, "Intelligence" is a meaningless purposeless term that has to end its function in our language and never be used again because it does not indicate anything we can aspire to but a void of neutrality can go equally to any direction.