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Elevated in some sense but 'forgot' and declined in others yes.

@Heaven I will tell you why. When you grew up in a democracy you take it for granted, and you will actually attract to the shadowic "bad guy" you crave for because he represents the stages / places in your psychology you have not yet fully confronted and integrated their healthy form, and the attraction you feel is your subconscious way to show you that you need to do this. Many people will see it in that way and some in totally different ways.

@Karmadhi They don't want enough, or they are caught in a war between two voices one who wants a state and another who wants to stay in the victim position and an independent state treatens him. If they really wanted a state it would have happened a long time ago.

@LSD-Rumi And this kind of dangerous regime should not be allowed to have a nuke. This isn't about Iran as an interesting country with a diverse culture, but about the regime.

@Merkabah Star Just to cease the fire and end the war won't do any good if hamas will be able to take control again, Gazans children under his cult will be even more misserable now, and Israel will be seen as the defeated one who could not handle hamas, what will make her reputation and situation only worse. The ground operation is anyway the dominant one right now when the activitiy becomes more and more specific, and there is no reason to stop it.

@Merkabah Star Everybody does some projection and it is anyway not an excuse to dismiss the claim. When something wake up your shadows and you project them on it, there is also a reason found in this something, not only in you.

But the degree of truth is not the same.

@Merkabah Star He is trying to make a reasonable discussion even if you don't like some kind of style, he is still fair in his messages.

@zazen It can be simply (though costy, but absolutely possible) fixed by bridges and tunnels.

Intuitively feels here even better to the Palestinians.

No, because if you don't count the desert, Israel has in 1947 map much smaller area than the Palestinians.

@Heaven I write this also for the other passive readers here 😁

@Twentyfirst If I put aside the whole process you described which is highly delusional to my opinion and far light years from the empirical truth. Still, if we say theoretically your picture was right, the Palestinians have right now, anyway, a very significant potential ground area in the west bank to their countless times offered state, and if we add Gaza to that (of after the war) we get quite good area to their state, in which the Jew minority can live peacefully with them at least on the paper, realistically they will in high chance be in danger. Central Israel is actually identical to this area if not narrower. I will add a map to here. Then what is the point of the killing and raping? I cutted the desert which isn't not important but most Israelis are rarely there (2 to 3 weeks of a year on average) and the quality of the ground is not nearly as good. To be fair I add the detailed west bank map too in which we can see when the Jew minority will live (purple spots).

@zurew Thank you for the analysis. I will try to understand fully the formulation I need to sit on it for a while 😊

@zazen There is no bullying at all, except by extremists, but this is right to any place in the world. There is a ground area restriction. If you want to be empirical you should not puff it with warm air and saucy words.

And then all their "situation" or "reasons" are just being thrown out of the window, exactly like that the Nazis motives are irrelevant when they commit such atrocities.

@zazen The comparison is wrong because: 1. Murder isn't comparable to settle peacefully without violent intent and don't show me the 0.01% extremists. 2. UNRWA is in my impression connected to terror more than just through bad apples and I wrote what I think above.

@Karmadhi I am sure most Israelis if will be asked won't like the settlement ever expansion and won't want to arrest children sometimes. The "Israel" being seen from this forum lens is only the deep right wing.

@Karmadhi I agree with you on the settlements problem that creates an uncomfortable situation to the palestinians when they want to mobilize within the west bank. Also I agree about the searches and arrests at night and about cases when a young teen that is being arrested ones in a while which is not justified to my opinion.

@zazen 12:120 = 10%

@zazen Yes this is our far right wing. Represents less than 10% of our population.

You must be jocking. The Allied are also nazis in the eyes of the nazis. The immune system is the virus in the eyes of the virus. Choose a side based on your healthy common sense. You can't differentiate between health and illness with logic, you must be intuitive and connect with some higher common sense. This "woke" radical relativism can bring nothing but hell.

So all the posts about unrwa connections to terror are wrong? I see many like that. But heard things (honestly I remember vagualy) in the last decade and before too. Every time this name pops up with some direct or less direct connection to terror. No chance this is only some bad apples.

@LSD-Rumi But this organization is responsible for deadly education that teaches killing and jihad, then it is best to look for another organizations or to create something new. Why to insist on a comfortable illness? It is better to suffer a short them uncomfortable if we want to heal the situation long term. This is how life works.

I don't understand the apartheid accusation. Because first of all, Israeli Arabs get full individual as well as collective rights and freedom here. About the Palestinians in the west bank, I agree that their area is partially sorverign and partially shared with the Israelis settlements, when IDF has to be in guard to secure those settlements and the west bank borders. Ok. But when is the apartheid here? And if one thinks there is apartheid, what is he/she expects? To not guard our borders?