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But by that logic, what lead to the second Intifada with suicide bombings twice a week in the early 2000's was Oslo agreement (1993), Oslo 2nd agreement (1995), Hebron agreement (1997), Y agreement (1998), Camp David negotiation (2000)... By using I mean it was pre-trapped (before the war) and the logic behind that is that in the same way hamas has invested every second since 2005 to build a 400 km length tunnels city, it also has invested in trapping entire neighborhoods all across the Gaza strip way before the war started. What I think is that just like the undergroung tunnels-city, also this was already made before the war. I agree with you in this logic but the question is, if this is really the case in Gaza because according to the ever arming-race of hamas the situation there is, I think, very different. Why do you think that?

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1. 10,000s terror targets to attack. 2. hamas number one survival strategy to use, disguise and assimilate among civilians. 3. hamas interest to always maximize civilians casualties to make Israel stop because they know this is our weakness. 4. ~40% of those 24,000 are hamas combatants. 5. PTSD condition from oct 7th + 30 years accumulated frustration from terror attacks and how the virus twists the accusation on Israel when the world believe him more every time, made Israel to maybe behave somehow in a looser way this time, but the attacks were still, I think, on terror targets anyway. 100% of them? Well I hope but I can't know. But even if I just think on this in a dry logical way there are so many terror targets, then why to attack something else. The weapon is still limited.

To kill civilians?? Never heard of that, and I have never educated to do such of thing. Sound crazy to me. Our teachers talked with us about Israel establishment, Israel wars, the peace agreement we made and the hope there will be peace with syria and we will can even go to Damascus I remeber this well I was in 6th grade. I dont know what you saw in the interivews of the far right wing people who are 1% to 5% at most.

@Karmadhi I can take your what I think a sickingly twisted logic and say what you ARE in denial about and filter out: 1. The fact that Israel built a 1 Billion dollar smart fence out of the fantasy the thecnology will prevent wars. 2, Israel let Thousands of Gazans to work in its areas for years out of the hope it will make them moderate. 3. Israel did more than 10 careful operations with good surgicality lead to anything but worsen the situation in the long term. 4. Israelis soldiers are many of them boys in theirs 18-22 years that are also humen being with broad heart and worried mothers and familiy that are putting their lives in a serious risk in one of the most dangerous areas in the world. Thousands of them are doing that right now for more than 3 months straight. 5. The fact that almost no other military warned civilians so many time in many ways before their attacks. 6. The fact that a hostage suffering is X100 times harder than any other soldier or citizen from both sides. Imagine have a gun on your head for 100 days when you never know when the bullet will be shot on you and if it will. 130 of them. Now imagine this is one of your friends or family members. 7. The fact that Gaza kids are indoctrinate into killing and suicide from birth and already been damaged psychologically to a mental condition not less severe than any other mental disorders and need an urgent recovery if such a recovery is even possible, Million of them. Where was the world when that happened during all those years before the war?

1. Is this can put enough pressure on hamas leaders to make them agree to free the hostages? 2. Isn't only a real threat on those leaders life and hamas's military capabilities the only possible option to make them do so? 3. Israel did more than 10 surgical intelligence operations in the last 18 years and it only lead to oct 7th. But if those homes were indeed used by hamas to their purposes? I read an article in which an Israel soldiers says that hamas is found in every or almost every building. Even if we assume this is exaggarated, can it be though a plausible scenario in such a culture? I found it: https://www.timesofisrael.com/irresponsibility-compounds-catastrophe-why-the-idfs-war-against-hamas-has-lost-momentum/ "The tactics caused devastation in northern Gaza, where Hamas had booby-trapped “every other house,” in the words of IDF officials." I understand you and respect that. But then again, are civil neighborhoods in Gaza really sterile and doesn't used as fortifications of hamas? I got the impression many of them are that way. I agree it was counter productive there. But I fear we don't have another choice right now because of the hostages.

@Leo Gura I have listened to this video. You are also right this is indeed a counter story to the one I wrote and I think both of them are right. Then what do you suggest IDF to do? IDF can go with this and decide it won't bomb anything, but then the soldiers will be killed like sitting ducks or domino cubes in many hundreds every month. I have also a question. If that mother would asked to leave the building 3 days before it was bombed it was ok? Because honestly this is what happened all the time during this war. And another question why the Israeli side is "insanly biased" but the side who critisize her so harshly is not? I bet every western society would react just the same because it really seems to me inevitable in such a trappy situation.

👍 Another good interesting point I didn't think about.

@kenway Since Tel Aviv, contrary to Gaza, is not a well-fortified terror base been well prepared with many traps in every single neighborhood for 18 years to the day my soldiers will invade to there, so there is no point in bombing it first, and a ground invasion will be enough in Tel Aviv.

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@kenway You are inventing now a narrative based on fragments of cases in the periphery that do not have any connection to your story you are forcefully trying to compose. I won't co-operate with this and I can't compete with imaginary ideas. You are free to think whatever you want anyway.

@lina If a baby from your village was burned alive and some of your friends or family would taken hostages with a gun to their head every day for 100 days you would do exactly the same as Israel and chasing those murderers with the maximum pressure possible until you bring them back.

@kenway hamas is to blame in that we cornered to do our best to rescue our hostages, and the citizens casualities are still not intentional. Sorry to tell you. Exactly what you would do if your friends or family were held hostage.

@kenway This is an uttetly demagogic post. ~40% of the casualties are hamas combatants. Rate doesn't mean anything but the duration over a long time in the context of the intentions. Obviously when there are 130 hostages there the speed of the war will be maximized.

🇾🇪 Hundreds of thousands been killed in Yemen but nobody cares not in the western world nor here. 🇸🇾 Bashar Al Assad killed more muslims then the sum of the people been killed in all of the conflicts between Israel and Muslims since 1947 but not the world nor here there is a caring that is even a hundredth of how we care when it comes to Israel palestine conflict when the casualties is less than 1% than the cases above. What is the conclusion? A bias against Israel. 😠 "But we hold Israel to higher standarts!" But it doesn't answer the question why you still don't show your pain in link-trees or angry statements when people are killed in other Arab countries. I thought that you just care about the people who are suffering or killed. The answer is then: You aren't interested in those poor people, not nearly as much as you are interested in Israel's situation and most likely not in her favor.

@zazen This "massacare" list is fake and unreliable. And how do I know that? Because Israel surgical operations (~70% surgicality in average which is very good given hamas tactic) in the last 15 years are also displayed there as "massacare" 😂 Pure absurdity 🎠💈🎡🎪

@Lila9 Everyone here talks from his or her trauma and childhood experience and this is what determines their side in this conflict basically. The fact though is that Israel did everything to avoid this war. From a billion dollars smart fence, through 1000s of work permission to Gazans in Israel and millions of dollar poured on Gaza with Israel permission. However Gaza was already saturated from wealth and money and could be the second Dubai, but it didnt help since every dollar was directed into terror.

1 Hostage's fear and suffering = 100 Israeli soldiers/Gazan citizens suffering.

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@Raze There are also some stupid soldiers that does outrageous things. Statistically it is unavoidable. The paranoia and the fear sometimes makes the soldiers be too loose and to treat everyone who has not evacuated as warned to be consider a co operator with hamas which is a problematic policy. IDF soldiers also shot three Israeli hostages by mistake - because of this fear. Don't forget many of these soldiers are 18-22 yo boys who risk their life in the maybe most dangerous war zone in the world. This area of southern Gaza is extremely dangerous. The war becomes totally symmetric there. This is now a Jungle 🕷☄️🐍

OMG He just NAILED it. So good and so authentic. I felt like a melted icecream after heard him.

@Karmadhi Only one side is taught to kill and suicide. I have never learn anything bad about the Arabs themselves besides that we have wars and we signed peace agreements and wanted to do peace also with Syria and to co exist with the 20% of the Israelis which are Arabs. I remember that I was in 6th grade.

@Merkabah Star I understand the situation in Gaza hurts you and you are right it that! But blame hamas on that because he has at the very least 90% of the responsibility and likely even 95%+. Thats the truth according to my impression. You can think something else and I really don't want to just argue with you. But I wonder, where was the world before the war, when one Million of poor kids where brainwashed every single day by their education system into the importance of killing others along with the importance of suicide in the name of their religion?

When you live in Israel for 36 years you can't be in a "bubble" about it. Sorry to dissapoint but anyone who get over the years its information second hand and by people/channels who are even not Israelis by themselves has far more chances to mistakes and seeing a distorted picture 🙂