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Actually this topic is controversial

A bit longer post today, from a high quality source - the independent Israeli journalist Orly Barlev - to show the crisis from a higher resolution if you want to go deeper. Her post: " Urgent Appeal to Business Leaders and the Chair of the Histadrut 🚨 (The Israeli equivalent to the president of American Federation of Labor and Congress of Industrial Organizations in the US) Four months ago, you threatened that if the government did not comply with the Supreme Court's ruling regarding the dismissal of the head of the Shin Bet, you would go on strike and fight back. "If the Israeli government does not respect the order and leads Israel into a constitutional crisis, we will call on the entire public to stop respecting government decisions and bring the Israeli economy to a halt," you declared in the Business Forum's statement. You directly addressed Netanyahu: "Stop the internal collapse of the country you are leading." Chair of the Histadrut, Arnon Bar-David, you announced: "We are on the verge of anarchy under the government's watch, and I will not stand by and watch the destruction of Israeli society... Disregarding a court ruling is a final red line that must not be crossed, and I do not intend to remain silent as the State of Israel is dismantled." That was in March of this year. And what has happened since? Meanwhile, Netanyahu continues to dismantle the country – only step by step, salami-style – and you, business leaders and the Chair of the Histadrut, are paralyzed and silent. Meanwhile – Hostages and soldiers are being sacrificed because Netanyahu refuses to end a purposeless war to maintain his power and evade justice. Meanwhile – Netanyahu managed to pressure Ronen Bar into resigning, and the Shin Bet – weaker than ever – may receive an unfit, submissive chief beholden to Netanyahu. Meanwhile – thugs have been sent to Supreme Court hearings to create orchestrated disruptions and intimidate the judges. Meanwhile – an illegal and undemocratic campaign to remove the Attorney General is underway and will be accelerated in the coming days. Meanwhile – a single on-call judge in the Supreme Court (Solberg) did not immediately halt this corrupt process and instead gave the government a rope to continue. Meanwhile – Netanyahu is pursuing a catastrophic policy in Gaza that has created a humanitarian disaster and is destroying Israel’s global standing. Meanwhile – Israel is becoming a pariah, facing international boycotts of its academia and businesses. Meanwhile – Netanyahu is advancing, salami-style, the occupation of Gaza, military rule, a “humanitarian city” (a ghetto or worse), and mass deportations (“voluntary” after creating unlivable conditions in the Strip). Meanwhile – Netanyahu prolongs the war even though soldiers are exhausted, broken, falling, and committing suicide. Meanwhile – Netanyahu continues pushing a draft-dodging law that will dismantle the state. Meanwhile – the police is disintegrating, not stopping lawbreakers aligned with the government, while arresting anti-government protesters, conducting strip searches, and suppressing dissent. Meanwhile – there is no enforcement against increasing violence by settler extremists in the West Bank. Meanwhile – the cost of living is soaring, poverty is expanding, brain drain and emigration are accelerating, and education is collapsing. Shall we continue? At what point will you, business leaders and the Chair of the Histadrut, realize that the red line was crossed long ago, that you fell asleep at the wheel, and the horses are already galloping out of the barn? When do you intend to shut down the economy – after there's nothing left of Israel? After Netanyahu destroys the Supreme Court from within through a campaign of incitement against Chief Justice Amit? After Netanyahu slyly installs a loyal, dangerous Shin Bet head? After the Attorney General is dismissed or weakened, with no gatekeepers left? After more hostages and soldiers are sacrificed for Netanyahu’s grip on power? After the army collapses under the weight of an endless war? After there are no longer enough productive forces and minds in the country to sustain the Israeli economy? After enlightened nations sever ties with Israel? When?? If you're waiting for a “clear moment” of line-crossing – sorry to inform you, that moment is long gone. It passed through countless small steps, a multi-front assault on the public under heavy bombardment, in salami slices that you swallowed one by one. But the clear moment? Long gone. We’ve long passed numerous red lines. We are already at the black line. Don’t wait for hundreds of thousands in the streets to give you the mood and momentum to act. The people have been protesting to the best of their ability for years, week after week. They are in ongoing trauma – shocked and broken. This is on you too. There is still a narrow window of opportunity to act, before we completely fall apart. Stop sitting on the fence, stop staying silent, stop being helpless. You have the power to stop the madness and the rapid decline. Shut down the economy immediately until: 1. A deal is immediately brought to return all the hostages and end the war. 2. Immediate elections are declared – halting all judicial coup efforts, including halting senior appointments by the destructive government. Business leaders and Chair of the Histadrut, Israel is rushing toward the abyss. The people are falling apart. You have the power to save Israel. --- And to the exhausted citizens: Please share. Facebook is limiting exposure. Give power to these words – let them become actions. "

Israeli senior journalist Keren Marziano in the most popular channel (N12) in Israel: "And it's hard for us to see such images too. Because hungry children, those are images that are hard to see." Guest in the studio: "Let them release the hostages, and in the meantime, we'll manage with these images until they do." Keren: "That's your opinion." https://www.instagram.com/reel/DMevpoLor-v/?igsh=MW0yN21jaWtsMjYwMA==

The full report from the most popular Israeli channel (N12) with English subtitles: https://www.facebook.com/share/v/1AtG1J3Jxw/

@Leo Gura Ok makes sense to me, and quite interesting to further think about this topic. Thanks for clarifying

Leo, I am not sure about the answer, but what if kindness, when placed even subconsciously, as more fundamental than other traits, might in some way filter and partially block the more raw and mysterious aspects of ourselves? Because kindness, when defined as a main principal of our behaviour, can still skew the story of the relationship to a specific direction. Even when stems from assertiveness and strength, I have a feeling right now that it might still narrow and supress in one way or another the full spectrum of what we can express or suggest to the other person in the dynamic.

Showing the 360° real version of you will always require some calculated risks, but those risks are necessary for you to be the authentic you and therefore attractive. The "Nice" strategy happens when you try to polish out those risks zones, but then you suppress an important part of yourself. I struggle with this myself, but came to realize my own blind spots and hidden too-nice bubbles I showed, and to fix that gradually especially lastly as I understand better what that I am doing.

(Head of Israeli opposition, translated)

hamas is uprising against any settling of Jews in the land from Tel Aviv to Jerusalem that shows any clue of creating a Jewish hegemony in any kind. We didn't need any Nakba to come to the situation in March 1948 when Jews were almost wiped out completely from this land. Yes the emotions of Arabs even then were complicated and included fear of stealing their land, a beginning of mass purchasing of lands by the Jews, but also religious and highly ideological ones. If Ben Gvir and Smotrich want to grab all the land without Palestinians stole their land before, then why won't the extreme parts of Palestinians want that too, purely out of ideology and not because of past Nakba? Just Ben Gvir mentality but in the opposite direction. Also when Iran and Hezbollah want to wipe out Israelis from the land, is it karma or a genocide?

Not Arabs (and not Jews per se) but hamas, Hezbollah and each terror group which already represents the chunk of Palestinians or other ethnic groups that went through radicalization and want to wipe out violently all of Israeli citizens at this point. Agree with the refinement you pointed out.

Your logic is utterly twisted and wrong. Without IDF, 10M Israelis and Jews would be killed, whereas without Nazis, 17-20M people would be alive.

A photo I took about a month ago near my town. Today its day 642.

Senior Israeli journalist Michal Peylan. (more than 70% of the public want to end the war according to surveys) Translated with Google Lens

Israeli Major General criticises the strategic failure and the very premise of the war in Gaza. https://www.facebook.com/share/1B5qUcuP9z/ Major General (res.) Yitzhak Brik is a widely known and highly respected military figure in Israel, renowned for his repeated and outspoken critiques of the IDF’s preparedness in recent years. A Bitter Failure for the IDF Ground Forces in Operation "Gideon's Chariots" Maj. Gen. (res.) Yitzhak Brick " When Herzi Halevi was replaced by Eyal Zamir as Chief of Staff, Zamir promised the Prime Minister and the public that he would do what his predecessor had failed to do. He declared that he would dismantle Hamas, free the hostages through military pressure, establish military governance in Gaza, control humanitarian aid, and allow political leadership to replace Hamas' rule. I sounded the alarm. I spoke to the media and wrote in the press that Zamir’s statements were empty — the IDF, in its current state, is incapable of defeating Hamas or freeing the hostages without a political agreement. I warned that resuming combat under Zamir would lead to the death of some of the hostages, to many casualties among our forces, and ultimately to disgrace and humiliation for the ground forces, exposing the vast gap between his promises and the worn-out capabilities of our units in the field. Contrary to Zamir's claims, the IDF does not control 75% of the Gaza Strip — and even if it did, it would be meaningless. The IDF operates above ground, while Hamas remains intact underground in the tunnels. Hamas emerges from the tunnels, strikes our soldiers, and retreats — turning IDF soldiers into easy prey. The IDF is suffering severe attrition inside Gaza. The Chief of Staff is begging the political echelon to end the war and reach an agreement, but he sounds like a voice crying in the wilderness. Thirty thousand Hamas fighters continue guerrilla warfare from underground. All the destruction caused above ground has done nothing to disrupt Hamas' underground operations. In Operation "Gideon's Chariots", the IDF suffered dozens of fatalities and many more wounded. It failed to defeat Hamas and did not free the hostages, despite the Chief of Staff’s promises — ending up empty-handed. Yet Zamir continues to flatter Prime Minister Netanyahu. He has lost his spine. No Chief of Staff in the history of Israel has ever behaved with such sycophancy. Recently, the Chief of Staff presented the cabinet with two options: conquer Gaza and establish military rule, or reach an agreement. I must stress — there is only one realistic option: an agreement. The IDF has no ability to impose long-term military governance in Gaza. The standing army and reserves cannot sustain it. There are no replacement forces, and sooner or later they will have to be released. Even if possible, Hamas, entrenched in its tunnels, would wage guerrilla warfare and inflict massive casualties. The IDF does not have the means to destroy hundreds of kilometers of tunnels. The result would be disastrous: the death of all the hostages, heavy losses, and a national catastrophe — without defeating Hamas. By the time the government understands this, it may be too late. Our politicians are using our soldiers as pawns to serve political agendas, not security needs — and the Chief of Staff enables it. Using military forces for purposes not directly tied to national defense, but rather to serve narrow political goals, undermines the moral role of the military, weakens motivation, and harms operational effectiveness. On Monday, a meeting is scheduled between Donald Trump and Benjamin Netanyahu. This presents a once-in-a-lifetime opportunity for Israel — and for Netanyahu personally — to walk hand-in-hand with Trump toward a comprehensive agreement with Iran, a ceasefire in Gaza, the release of hostages, and new regional alliances. If Netanyahu chooses this path, he may still be remembered not only as the one who brought disaster upon the nation — but as the one who helped shape a new Middle East together with Trump and strengthen the State of Israel. Time will tell if Netanyahu will seize this rare opportunity — and whether the interests of the nation will prevail over narrow political survival. "

@trenton Even if we assume for a moment that the leaders aren't operating with morals at all but only out of interests, but how do the things you said contradict moral development of the wide public?

Whoever chants "death to" (no matter the side) is a red flag. In this case you can see also the body language and tonality that don't leave you any room of doubt.

The environment provides you the protection that allows you to sit and learn, but the structural process is still on you. I feel now this is the only kind of developmental intergenerational inheritance we can be sure about.

@aurum But neurological adaptation imposed by the environment is meaningless if not self-learned.

No content has any value if you hadn't built the neural pathways allowing you to run it through and understand it.

Because structural development happens to the individual, whereas the new generation can only inherit the content the previous generation have learned but not the structure it had, so theoretically, structurally, each generation can still start its development from zero.

In the personal level I am sure it is true. In the cultural level I tend to think its true but @trenton has an interesting point that at least for now might dispute that.

@Leo Gura I don't know which side in this discussion is correct, but what if the progress we see around us isn't because of moral development, but only because the evilness merely being distributed to tinier pieces (due to more complex restraining mechanisms) so it disguises itself better, but the total sum of the evil is still the same just as it was a millenia ago? I think this is @trenton 's point. I personally want the moral development to be true, but I can't deny this possibillity in the meantime.