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I think this kind of thinking you described applies to the deep right wing. In my surrounding circles of family and friends, education, meetings, even conversation within the party "yesh atid" (in the center-left sector) I like to discuss sometimes because they are very reasonable, I have never tackled this kind of talking like really. Yes, in more broad circles I hear sometimes people who are not moral and have no problem to "destroy them all" even from people who I know they are good and sensitive people when I talk to them on private! But then I remember he was hiding in his home when terrorists came to his town in oct 7th and I really cannot blame him.

I don't know. The education I got, that was the formal one, encouraged us to want peace. To say to you there wont be militant voices here? I can't. I am curious to know how would you react if your town was massacared and civilians from the massacare's country ware celebrate this with candies in their streets. Actully I am not curious becasue the answer is simple - of course you would dehumanized them.

You are invited to bring here examples you think on.

Yes a great tribe with the most mutual help and worry to each other I have ever seen.

All of these you think this is IDF policy only in this war or also before? I am not denying too loose actions from soldiers that are happening. In the other hand I have never heard about an army that does or did a cleaner war in such a tough and dangerous field. Not that I dont think it doesn't need to be improved because it is. But if you take out the current trauma response from the equation and look on the previous operations, I really don't think there is an army that did such diverse tactics (parachuted massages, knocks on roofs and more) to ensure civilians lives like IDF did.

@royce You don't have to read who you think is biased. Make your own claims.

@Karmadhi hamas goal is to destroy civilians lives....

😂 Poor SS officer in ww2. He didn't want to kill Jews at all. Just to deffent himself, and look what the Great Britian do to him.

@Karmadhi You have to kill 40,000+ hamas terrorists in this war. How technological-intelligence accuracy abillities will help so much in that?

How do you know this is really the case in the policy level? What can you as a soldier do when you know that hamas will necessarily disguise itself to civilians all the time?

Speaking on ideology yes. I meant to the ones who are considered as the operational targets.

@Karmadhi In 2024 there are also super sophisticated gerilla organization what wasn't in 1944.

@Karmadhi Your reasoning is wrong because murder doesnt equal collateral damage. By your logic, Great Britian did Genocide to Nazi Germany in ww2.

@Karmadhi hamas = the armed terrorists.

@Karmadhi This exactly matches the math. Terror attack its a scale. Israel already went through hundreds of terror attacks and responded reasonably. This time went very far with the material damage and collective punishment, but still light years away from Genojoke.

@Thought Art This is not the case at all. This is not reasonable at all claim to say. The killed ratio is 1:1 or 1:1.5 betweem hamas that hides behind civilians and civilians. The brainwashing idustry of the other side is cartoonishly toxic and you just swallow it.

@zazen The truth is that your western country would react quite the same if undergo such trauma came after 20 previous polite trials before that to address its attackers source.

Feels to me like he wanted to counter balance somehow the unjustness and lack of understanding of us (Israelis) and Israel in general. sometimes you have to shout to exceed louder voices. At least this resonate with how I feel often towards this issue.

+1 ❤️ Absolutely. Know it first hand from the education I got in school here in Israel. I have learned about Israel's wars and about our aspiration to peace and at the end of the elementary school we were all into the hope that soon we will make peace with Syria. Half a year after that the 2nd intifada has started (2000).

👍💛 The whole discussion from the anti Israel side is almost always in a negative language (along with extraordinarliy reality twisting manipulations).

@bebotalk Lets ask it thay way - what makes you think there is one?

When will this joke becomes off season? 🌾 A word being repeated thousands of times doesn't mean it will become truth, but only that this is an effective brainwashing tactic.

Do you know why Israel entered west bank in 2002 and for what aim? Do you know hamas survival strategy to hide behind civilians?

@_Archangel_ Sabra and shatila wasn't done by IDF but was made possible because of IDF war against PLO terrorists that gave a blind eye to this massacare yes, and hold responsibility in the way didnt prevent it, but the massacare itself was done by the christian palangas. The Palestinians are sitting in an area which is way bigger than central Israel, surrounded by IDF in the borders of West Bank, in check points and around the settlements. Not at all a strict "occupation" as many want to draw it. But yes, a partial control of IDF in parts of the west bank, but together with the Palestinian Authority forces and in a co operation, against any attempt of hamas to thrive there. Even if you were right in your claims which are at best way oversimplified, the attempt to make any symmetry between the deffensive actions of IDF to the attacks of Palestinians terrorists against civilians is funny in the best case. Though don't get me wrong, this situation is far from being ideal and a two state solution with a demilitarized (for the first decade at least) Palestinian state is a much better one.

* After 20 other times when Israel responded intelligently and surgically, what didn't help as you can see.