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This is true that our society faced serious inner clashes a year ago, when extremist right wingers tried to reform the courte leaded by Netayahu's conflict of interests in this issue, but this war turned back this trend to a much more united society.

Why its foreign policy closedminded? Edit: If you mean to the way it manages the conflict with the Palestinians so yes its limited. I thought you are talking about other things.

Thanks, all good 🌼 I appreciate it.

I wish (like you I think) that Israel will find a way to fight terror organization in Gaza or in Lebanon without much civilian losses. But people here overly and sometimes I feel cruelty judge a situation they don't need to really deal with.

~ 45% of Israelis are secular Jews ~20% traditional not so religious ~14% tradinional tend to religious ~11% religious ~11% ultra orthodox By a poll done in 2022.

So the west is selfish evil and Palestinians who hang gays and cooperators on electric polls are victims? That simple? Help me understand this logic guys.

The west, within the level of leaders, parliaments and upper half older (ages 40+) population is more mature, experienced, knows Israel much better over a much broader time frame perspective, in comparison to the average pro palestinian activist in the streets. Also, the west during last decade is going through a growing threat from his own population, and deep down knows what Israel represents and the function of Israel values, abilities and experience in facing those kind of threats.

Fair. Now apply this nuanced attitude towards Israel.

The son of hamas former leader who has escaped, exposes hamas real ideology, their barbaric actions to their own palestinian people and the unprecedented complicated situation of a modern army in the current war in Gaza. And an in depth Interview (2 hours long) I am going to spend the weekend in:

@Merkabah Star I think you don't appreciate what an organization with a rooted ideology and motivation to oppose Israel's existance will do every day over 30 years of existance to offset physical inferiority with other compensatory strategics it will develop when have such a desire and determination.

@Merkabah Star You have the right to think about what happen in whatever form that fits you and keep you in sanity inside in our though complex reality (no cynisizm at all). Though I think there are many problems in your story that don't make sense to me at all, I have to admit Israel fell into hamas traps in almost every facet in this war, does mistakes and isn't careful as I wanted to think. However, the dominant paradigm of the pro palestinian camp about the intentions and motives of every side is deeply and fundamentaly flawed and limited to my opinion, but this is hard to think differently right now in the heat of the events happening these days.

https://www.ynetnews.com/article/r1vstnh1c#autoplay

@Raze OK hamas does not use guerilla deffense he is just innocent and dumb. This is only Israel's fault. You won the argument 💛

@Karmadhi ok but hamas hides behind civilians. Thats their deffense mechanism through it they bought you. So in reality the discussion here proves that hamas is built itself to be just as strong as IDF, when they compensate their physical inferiority with much more sohpisticated other deffenses.

@Karmadhi The 2nd intifada (2000-2005) was "fueled" by a decade long of four different agreements (Oslo 1993, Oslo B 1995, Hebron 1997, Y 1998) betweem Israelis and Palestinians accompanied by Palestinian terror activities within Israel between them.

The settlements are perhaps an accelerating factor I don't like at all, but I think it is a one parameter out of more that aren't connected to Israel policy and have deeper theological rootes, along with a way of sense making and meaning of life that lower stages in the spiral appeal to that are very different than what westerners think and grasp.

@Merkabah Star From what I remember I wasn't disturb you to upload posts you see as solid reality and not propaganda at all, so I think the best thing is that everyone will upload what they want and think is useful and important.

I Don't know. Of course there will be a dehumanization after 30 years of terror and civilians dancing to that with candies in the street. This is just an hypocricy becasue we all know any other western military would react the same (and I bet most likely more harsh), when only Israel is being checked with a magnifying glass for every detail for complex spiritual reasons that are not at all only the raw outcome in the field. Yes this went too far for sure, but this is the final explosion after 30 years of accumulated frustration and trauma and countless operations cost the country by hugh efforts and countless attempts to make peace negotiations and make Gazans more moderate with work permissios in Israel and all of that lead to even more terror.

@Raze I don't know how much it changes the proportions even after this article and again it depends greatly on your assumptioms of how flexible or rigid the policy in those kill zones is. We are human beings not machines. And also how many civilians really enter those zones. Even if hamas will have only 1000 terrorists left it will fight to survive and go in and out his relatively protected tunnel city.

@thenondualtankie I can make you to maybe change a bit your mind just from looking of what is going on in my country during last years and today that doesn't have yet term limits.

@Karmadhi I know you wish this was Israel's logic.

The 2 million Palestinians who live here in Israeli cities (20% of pop) are quite ok with us.

@zazen Thats why the ratio of killed is only 1 to 1.5. Because Israel kills so indiscriminantly due to the evil Lavender system! 🪴🫐

@Karmadhi 😂 The brain can invent whatever it want. From unrational anxiety scenarios to unrational beliefs about a hated nation. When Israel will drop an atomic bomb on someone I know that you will be the happiest person on earth.

@Karmadhi I cannot argue with your 100 steps forwarded interpretations and projections on Israel that aren't connected to reality as I see it.