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@Vrubel Its fascinating how it works. The more democratic and more safe a state is, the more for granted people will take it and the more attracted they will be to the "bad" (stage purple-red) guys because they represent their stages they are lacking and the least integrated in their psychy. In the same way but exactly to the opposite, the society of Iran will crave democracy and appreciate more Israel's point of view in general.

What do you mean by that?

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https://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/illegal-palestinian-construction-in-area-c The word "illegal" in the title is maybe biased but look at the whole article.

Problematic I won't dispute that of course, but honestly this pattern actually happens in both sides in the west bank and there is a culture of competition in building without waiting the other side permission. The palestinians have not less such buildings.

By the way the lower percentage of Jews here in the 19th century is because of, among the rest, forced Islamisation and deportations they have went through before that.

@Karmadhi You can say the same about the Palestinians that most of them are new in this region too because a little while before that they came here as work immigrants for the Ottoman rule.

@Twentyfirst This land isn't stolen at all. Jews and Arabs have lived here together during all the last centuries.

@Danioover9000 If Israel won't succeed in its attemps to fend off Radwan forces far away from the borders through negotiations, then a war against Hezbollah might be necessary, even if neither of the sides wanted it to happen.

https://www.timesofisrael.com/us-accuses-hamas-of-being-obstacle-to-gaza-truce-after-rejecting-israels-proposal/

@Raze Israel only need to repel Radwan forces dozens of km northern the lebanese border, in order to them not being a threat to Israelis residents in the North, what could otherwise become a second oct 7th like attack. This is a serious threat caused Northern Israel residents to leave their homes in the beginning of the war.

Oh no problem update me! 😁

Eliminating hamas is necessary, but this war is done too hastly by our government and not in a smart way. The last thing Gazans need is that hamas will return control them what will be not less tragic than what already happened to them. They deserve a real change that at least something good will come out of all of this mess.

Neither. We just had some fear from it and we planned when to go to the shelter in the end of the street and I slept only 3 hours and fuel my day with strong black tea sweetened generousely 😝

If you want the legitimacy to stand for your (Israel) rights or for the other side's wrongs, you have to be able to see also your side's wrongs where it is difficult, because this is the only way to gain your moral capabilities and stance when you want after that to stand for what you think is important.

@Raze Don't start with that again. Wikipedia is a fighting zone not an imprinted objective book.

I think the reasons hamas or Hezbollah attack Israel are much more than that, and are mainly their stage and their meaning of life derived from that, along with their theological appealing. It hard for the western world to see that those attacks are actually what give them meaning and psychological fullness. But the west think that they are like us just want to live in an organized life similar to us what I think isn't true, and it might be part of the reason the peace negotiations keep failing due to those forces that only increase the terror in such times for example after Oslo agreement and 2nd intifada after 90's agreements.

@Inliytened1 But to arrest even one child in west bank is wrong, to destroy palestinians homes is also wrong. You can always say "but we are right in this and that" but we have to be smart too and not to fuel hate towards us.

@Inliytened1 But our right wing policy is dissapointing and problematic. I didn't say we are like hamas because of course this isn't at all the case. There are developmental and moral huge differences.

@Raze All the examples there (minus the weapon supplies to problematic regimes) are highly fluid and hypocritical when don't take Israeli survival perspective into account, what is the core of the issue here.

Yes sadly at least in the west bank this is surely the case. I wanted to include the current war in Gaza too minus the killed parameter that wasn't intentional unlike hamas there the key difference between the sides remains, but other parameters yes.

Yes once there are many isolated settlements, we are Jews and Arabs inmeshed together and then, to manage this physically seems to me as very challenging and chaotic, and only a signed agreement can solve this.

Yes I agree, but when a soldier found in this tough zone, and his life is also not so safe there, and there is a violent uprising of the other side, he just think how to stop this to not get into chaos. I am not justifying his very low consciousness policy that from our eyes this is obviously will only make things worse long term (but he doesn't yet have that view probably) but just say a higher thinking is very difficult to do in this hard area.

Yes but this is tricky because both sides harm each other, but when one of them have more muscles his actions will be showed as more abusive, and he will be appeared falsely as the bad guy! But this is a psychological deception.

+1 ❤ Very important points.