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@Gennadiy1981 A Worldview and succeeding to implement this worldview are two different things. But the worldviews of this government and the center-left sector are very different.

@Gennadiy1981 I disagree. They have totally different values and worldview. No wonder people are afraid of civil war in Israel. Just to look on the dynamic here during the year before the war will give you the answer.

A knesset member of the "Democrats" opposition party, Merav Michaeli

A knesset member of Lapid's "There Is a Future" centrist opposition party, Merav Cohen (translated)

And then those gazans were stoned and killed. Cruelty to their own people just as to Israelis (I blurred it if you want to see enter the link). hamas is a bloodthirsty gang to just ANYONE they don't like. https://www.instagram.com/p/C9HrEXgo1zZ/?igsh=b3M1MGlkYXBpNHNi

Ok I did it. Part of what I read is reasonable and I agree with, and part of that doubt or cancel basic things the other side did. Some of that I even saw myself in social media or it was testified that is very transparent to me there is a denial here. I will keep looking but it is clear from reading those articles that the propaganda goes both ways.

@hundreth You agree too soon to that. I dont understnd why. I see something else. IDF says 14K "killed". Not "maybe killed maybe wounded..." https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/2024-07-16/ty-article/.premium/israel-at-war-day-284-israeli-army-says-it-killed-half-of-hamas-military-leadership/00000190-bc80-d458-a3d7-bfe7f9e10000

@Raze The UN said 10K less 2 months ago (~25K)

The 38K is a combination of hamas combatants and civilians.

@Raze I compare armed terrorists to civilians.

(38.8-14):14= 1:1.8 Best ratio ever in a war of western military against guerilla, and with a big gap.

@Raze A combatants civillians ratio of 1:1 to 1:1.5 at most is far more careful than the ratios in Iraq that were 1:5 to 1:10. Is this careful enough? No. But the problem exists every time a western military has to deal with guerilla so be honest. https://x.com/yaakovkatz/status/1749870793486405750

Former Head of IDF (2002-2005) and Minister of Defense (2013-2016) Moshe Ya'alon.

Agree Not to mention how US and Europe attacks on Isis resulted in far worse outcome (equivalent to 10 twitter linktrees a day of @Raze) but the anti Israeli movement will never admit that.

Probably because the religion Identity is uniquely important in this area to preserve liberal values system, what isn't necessary in most of the world, and pesonally I am not attached to my religion not nearly as much I am attached to our values system.

One hundred percent correct. From all I have seen in the last 9 months this is crystal clear.

What do you mean here exactly? This government is very blue I won't deny that, but it is far from expressing the spiral picture of Israel this is why I like to add twitts from orange-green opposition parties people's talkings and opinions. It is difficult for me to see how the tale controls the dog with our parliament problematic method and affects the way my country is seen in an unfair way.

I am all into agreeing with the problems of this Netanyahu government I personally hate but the issue is too broad thats why I asked for examples. I will give an example from myself. The illusion of "total victory" that can take years when meanwhile the hostages are suffering and Netanyahu damages the chances for a deal purposely.

I feel the same comes from the anti-Israeli side not any less. If you have examples I would like to hear to understand you better.

@Karmadhi There was a civil war. There was no one side who decided to kick them all out this is a cartoonish oversimplification.

67 aren't secure borders physically, let alone that it is unrealistic to evacuate the settlements at this point. The western third part of WB has to stay under Israel control.

@Gennadiy1981 The root of the argument is the unfamiliarity with our society and a sense of strangerness due to, among the rest, the more different and less common religion it has, what in turn creates a very significant negativity bias in how Israelis are seen to some people, and everything it does is automatically being examined through those negative to begin with lenses. While the other side because being grasped as "poor, simple, childish, uneducated" is automatically being exempted from responsibility under an opposite positivity filter everything he does being soften and twisted to the other side fault much more easily. What makes even the same stage (for example blue) to be seen as much more guilty when it comes to one side, and much more victim when it comes to the other side. In this way reality can never be reached.

The real picture is more complicated and bi directional.

@Rafael Thundercat Jews were the majority here for centuries before they became minority for more centuries.