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I feel this question is suitable to this forum because of the inner struggle I have with this issue and how it challenges me emotionally. I will try to explain in head lines chronologically and then the question. Two months ago I found out through a third person that my teacher from 1-3th grades (28 years ago...) goes to the same barber I go to since childhood. This is not just a regular teacher but she was like our educator who was with us for five hours every day for 3 years in very young ages of 7-9 years old. In initial grades the teacher is as many of you know can be very significant. She has talked to me in those years about my social difficultied and insecures I had back then and her presence in my childhood life had imprinted very strongly on my mind till today. At the moment my barber realized she was my teacher, she imediately called her when I was there (in hair routine) but I was so scared at the moment so I instinctively took my hand to her phone which was on the table and cutted off the calling before she could answer. I explained to her that I am sorry but I was scared to do this spontaneous talk and she immediately understood me "You are excited. I understand". So instead, I asked her number and then when in home I chatted with here (the teacher) and we decided we will do a meeting in one of the next times she is in the town to a hair routine again and that will notice me then. The thing is that its been 2 months since then, and today I was in the barber again and found out she was there again but didn't noticed me. What bothered me is that this time, the barber said "Why do you want to meet with her? To consult with her?" She didn't forget the basics but was just dettached emotionally. I was shocked because what isn't clear here? The previous time you understood my excitement right away, but today you reacted like this is a super marginal thing. My two questions: 1. How would you, from your life experience, explain her reaction? I started to think about some more deep explanation that people can remember things and understand them logically, but their emotions about the things are always changes and she has not encoded the situation in her mind as I did. Or that her emotional state today was though in a good mood, different. 2. More importantly, the teacher, how and when I remind her my desire to meet with her? I strongly don't want to push it, but want the meeting will come organically when both sides will be free for. If I push it too much I feel this will be "fake" and not a genuine nostalgic meeting. Also I am afraid she will say she doesn't want to, because what happened today has reduced my confidence. I think to wait until september/October to see if she messages me and if not only then to write a (friendly) reminder. I am interested to hear what are your thoughts and insights about that from your experience with people, and maybe even if you had quite identical or very similar situation.

@Evelyna I had an idea that I can display the second message as an update one that I moved to another city (what I will do probably soon) so it will be easier for me to come half way to you, and I wonder maybe if the message is in this vibe it won't be weird I am wondering, don't know the answer accurately.

@Evelyna Aren't you a little harsh here? I will explain, 1. Because it will be only the second message ever to her and after months. And 2. because she asked about what I do today when we chatted and said she was happy to hear from me and that we will may meet in one of the next times. Again its not like we are strangers because 28 years ago she was with me five hours a day, six times a week for three years.

I disagree. If the far right wing of Israel wants all Palestinians out only out of an Ideology, then so too hamas can want all Israelis out, just out of an ideology without needed any help from anyone to cause him to want that.

This is a quite tricky situation and somehow rare and unique and that exactly what preserves it. This is indeed a group who in some senses dominates another minority group, but at the exact same time they are themselves dominat-ed by their surroundings when force on them to ever be in alertness and chronically in some fight&flight urges as a minority in an ocean of surrounding hostile countries capable to threat them seriously, what makes every micro action of Israeli's as a majority necessarily entangeled in their position as a minority in the macro scale and affected hardly by it.

Right 🙏 I try now to stop the triggering snowball by, as much as I can, not to pass it back to the second side and answer in a non-triggering way. Honestly I think I was ok with that even before but I want to improve it, and help the discussion to be more healthy and truth oriented.

And the evidences of genocide are?

Where is the surprise? The accusations here are rooted 90% in psychology and self-serving motivations and maybe 5-10% at most in real history.

@lina But the escalation started in the 1920s when both sides worsen their steps all the time. Many see it in a very one sided view but it isn't a realistic view. And then they wonder why pro Israelis don't agree with them. Not everything is biases. Moreover when after holocaust and when had a rich history in this land centuries ago, you can't tell Jews they can't migrate here or that this isn't legitimate becasue it is. This is a complex issue with no clear cut simple answers.

I have never had a friend or a family member who said we are "chosen", but listen whoever don't live here naturally will be judgmental and skeptical and do generalizations. I don't know how I can make you know my country better rather to add twitter posts from many voices. Up to you in the end what you decide. All good.

Once you framed it in an underestimated way then of course you WANT the Jews to have less credit on this land. And since you want it to be that way, maybe we should not argue at all because this is how you preceive Jews and Israelis and this is yours.

@MKAUS I remeber that. Not an innocent protest as you describe it in my opinion. It was barbaric shown. hamas is way more brutal to them than Israeli restrictions and if you can't admit that the discussion is pointless. I am out.

Well if that is the attitude I can't convince you otherwise. Try when you have time to think what you as a citizen or a soldier of a country treatened from 5 directions would think.

@MKAUS Innocent people who get killed in an uncareful enough war against terorrists is far from being the way you describe it.

Because they know the country firsthand. I hate the current government though.

@MKAUS How those Palestinians were threated under Egypt and Jordan before Israelis settled there? Why do you automatically assume it was better? Actually in every other Arab countries the Palestinians conditions would have probably worse and with less freedom. I also can't take seriously when people display the problem so unproportionally.

@MKAUS If by historical record you mean only last 50 years than no wonder it feels that way because the settlements are being expanded more and more for no justified reason, but I would argue with you about the beginning of the settling in West Bank - only the third western part of it - which was necessary.

In Trump's plan there had to be a tunnel that will connect between Gaza and West Bank. It seemed back then (in 2018/9) that Bibi and Trump like displayed the plan together and I had a feeling that even the Likud was for it. It's interesting to see how so similar plan to Oslo in 1994 suddently being accepted by part of the right wing when a right winger displays it. It proves that everything in the end breaks down to camp thinking.

And prior to the holocaust that shuffled all the cards made Jews to stay without an option but to come back to a land on where they were a majority for many centuries (before deportated and became a minority for more centuries). In the total sum both Jews and Arabs have quite an equal say on this place and a two state solution is the most fair one.

@Karmadhi Again I am totally for 2 state solution and think it is the just and sustainable solution. But its important to see a balanced picture and remember also that 2 million more palestinians are already live in Israeli cities with full peace and freedom alongside the Jews. In Bat-Yam beach now.

Some leave but in the other hand the moderate-democratic camp becomes more active and still roughly half of the Israelis.