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@Carl-Richard Why to look for clues in others external theories? Do you feel there are limitations to your Yellow experience in your personal life? Do you feel right now a burden or depressive or anxious feelings? If so, in which ways does your behaviour or thinking has to change in order to overcome those barriers? This will give you a way to find Turquoise in yourself in a gradual way.

Are there places that are completely Soonies (to make sure they are without Hezbollah combatants) that you can move to? Or another option, a relatively very rural and isolated town in the center or the north?

@Davino On Mongolia you didn't say what good old times

@Carl-Richard If Orange thought about progress in a more linear mannar like to climb a mountain, Yellow feels life is like a great maze. You progress, when always has to do compromises, but many steps "back" are actually insightful too anyway. The trajectory isn't always clear but you have a clear general direction that getting slightly updated all the time. You can much more enjoy the process than Orange could in his neurotic way. What is the problem though? That most of the time you can still get lost in the process and feel frustration when realize that at least part of the progress was either delusional - because you got so in love with this notion - or true but not fulfilling enough. Turquoise starts to doubt the progress paradigm, and seek to break this glass ceiling in standing on the current point he found in the maze, looking at the flowers growing at the side of the walk, and see much more potential and opportunity in his current place. He starts to apply Love and deeper appreciation to his current position and from this gains more insights.

Kind of crazy aspiration. I have never heard myself about an Israeli who wants that but no doubt there are some in the far right edge.

http://en.cis.org.il/

See then I am probably guilty too of using high words (; I will try later to explain it in simpler words.

Turquoise is very critic to the complexly navigated journey of Yellow and breaks that with vertical thinking when try to devote himself and find love to the current coordinate and place in the maze. Not necessarily in the here and now but to see the potential and greatness of his current place.

It corresponds with 1993 when a huge terror wave came after Oslo Agreement, with 2000 when 2nd Intifada right after Camp David and when Hezbollah kidnapped 3 soldiers after Lebanon withdrawal, with 2003 when there was a rise in suicide bombing after Geneva negotiations, with 2005 when hamas came to power and Gaza has redicalized after Israel withdrawal from Gaza, with 2006 when Hezbollah initiated a kidnapping of 3 soldiers completely unprovoked what lead to 2nd Lebanon war, with 2007 when was a rise in terror after Anapolis negotiations, 2008 when was a rise in rockekts from Gaza after Doha conversations, 2010 when was a rise in terror after the negotiations, in 2013-14 there was more terror during the negotiations, with 2023 when oct7 came after years of giving money to hamas and letting thousands of Gazans to work in Israel freely daily for years and many of them were participate in oct7.

@BlueOak Turquoise's communal component is Purplish in its quality. Thats how I felt it from my moments of experience with Turquoise I think I started to have.

Every direct experience will be described in words of one of couple main thinking disciplines, and you will end up with "Islands" of different ways to describe this stage that seems very different fron one another because those disciplines aren't communicate with each other and use totally different words. But if everyone would describe their experience with their own words, then you would see a great scale of experiences and it would be easy for you to draw connections from and see the coherent big picture of Turquoise. If enough people would be already experienced with this stage it would be probably look that way. The rarity makes this look incoherent because the rarer the stage, the more its language will prone to be "spiritual" and less authentic, because when people understands the stage weakly, they will compensate with high words they have already heard.

I think the far Right Wingers like smotrich or Bengvir and the like are almost as bad guys as the Right wing of Palestinians because they force Israelis and Israeli soldiers to ever be in friction with Palestinians what is toxic to really everyone from both sides. If I understand you here then the very existance of Israel is the reason for terror, even if Israel would be established in a perfectly polite and moral way, because the real issue (and this is my view already) is that a very different entity with very different values exists between them.

What is the difference between the most of Europeen countries that use their power against Germany in WW1 and then again the Allied against Germany in WW2. I would expect German people to be infuriated over that and be more and more hostile to Europe during the decades, but the opposite has happened. Right this is not totally the same but the feelings of humilliation of the extremist sectors are.

There are two opposed paradigms here as I see it. 1) The first as you said that this can in the long run enhance terror motivation. 2) The second that eliminating the extremists can help more moderate people to take their place if Israel will play smart in the geopolitical field. If (1) was always true, then we would expect Neo Nazis to be more radical long term, but the elimination of the Nazi regime lead to the moderation of Germany. We can think those are different cases but I think they are very similar. The Nazis also been created because of Germans feeling of humilliation after WW1, what is very similar to part of Palestinians feeling after Israel establishment that lead to the creation of hamas.

I think the West should respect and not to rule the middle east, but to advance alliances with the moderate axis there, when at the same time focusing its effort against the Iranian regime proxies and nuclear capabilities.

@Carl-Richard If you can, direct me with questions. I don't know how to explain it in another way.

Hezbollah together with Assad were both responsible to the intentional murdering of thousands of innocent Soonies during the Civil War in Syria.

4. No biohacks. No harsh session of "trauma releasing" or any kind of potentially too destabilizing activities from any kind. Everything is done in small or baby steps and according to the person's choices and intuition.

Some rise in my head that at least negate green and past it: 1.Flexibility 2. Acknowledging everyone's different inner (hidden) logic. 3. Moral principals rooted in Health of mind of one and others as more important than equality.

I think a real Turquoise community cannot become a cult, but the emphasis is on REAL.

Indeed both have a deep historically and legitimate connection to this land.

The fact it isn't coherent is because each stage contains many values and facets when every time you hear only about a portion of it from another thinking discipline that partially copies things it heard from some gurus and not really describes a personal experience. And even when describes a personal insights it uses words it heard from others to make it sounds "high" what creates an eco chamber that limits and narrowen the way the stage is being seen and you left with couple of main streams that constantly repeating their slogans over and over again. Then you see only Islands rather than a rich scale.

Israel wants to neutrilize the dangerous 'belt of fire' the Iranian regime tries to build around it with its proxies backed by a planned nuclear capacity.

@Carl-Richard There is a response article that explains why there is no reason to assume metamodernism is the highest Here

But if you zoom out even more you see how Israel is forced to be in a constant survival mode due to the environment it found in, when the aggression towards the Palestinians is a fear response. Not a smart one, definitely has to be transcended, but a FEAR driven behaviour!