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But again, this kind of coasts over the civil and humane aspects - the bottom-up aspects that I see as the real and most significant factors shaping this alliance between America and Israel. I accept that the factors you mention play a role too, just not the major one in my opinion.

@Leo Gura Fair, and on the other hand hamas has proven to increase terror attacks especially in the form of suicide bombing inside Israeli cities, much more during or right after times of negotiations in order to make them fail, especially the key negotiation periods like 1993-4 and 1999-2000. That by itself indicates a higher probability that those negotiations were serious and honest, since hamas received those signals and responded to them seriously.

@Raze Israel has negotiated with their leaders under the governments of Rabin (1993-1995, intense efforts) Barak (1999-2001, intense) Sharon (2003-2005 moderate, less direct) and Olmert (2007-2008, intense) for a total of ~10 years.

You speak like the Middle East isn’t burning itself with Sunni-Shia wars.

This is not true. The ideological support is bipartisan and include shared liberal values between the Democrat and Center-Left sectors in US and Israel respectively, not any less than the Right wing parallelization.

This is a political suicide to Israel as a liberal state. Two State Solution is the right one.

@NewKidOnTheBlock Parents subconsciously transfer their trauma to their kids, and this is even rational in the evolutionary sense. When the environment is dangerous, it is more efficient to have a non verbal mechanism that will deliver the information as directly as possible to your limbic system that your chance to survive will be maximized. This carries much more information and in much higher resolution than if you would start to tell the kids "be carefull there is a lion at XY coordinate".

Former Heads of IDF (Chief of staff Dan Halutz and Moshe Ya'alon), Major Genrals and many more seniors in IDF in a letter calling to stop the war in Gaza. https://www.haaretz.co.il/news/politics/2025-05-27/ty-article/.premium/00000197-111e-d165-a9ff-19fec03b0000

This is a thread for anyone who wants to seriously deepen their unserstanding on Israel. My goal is to offer an high-resolution view of Israeli society in the most authentic day-to-day way possible. The added value: A direct insight into Israel's mindset. This is something you won't find in any video or article from foreign media. Only here you will be able to see it. I aim to present an unfiltered view of regular Israeli citizens, journalists (but not politicians), leaders of public opinions and even celebrities from here. Please keep far-right-wing quotes out of this thread, and this is because other threads and many youtube videos are already saturated with them. Excluding them here will help create a more realistic and balanced picture at the end of the day. Let’s agree on one thing: Israeli society is neither more nor less special than any other. However given the one-sided portrayal of my country over the past year, it only makes sense to emphasize the aspects that are often overlooked. Therefore, this thread will lean towards a more positive tone, with the aim of presenting a more realistic picture overall.

Shamless reduction of the horror of oct7 to "desperation" and "resistance". Nothing is more shamless than that. This is the far left.

@zazen He overlooks another reason that isn't less significant, perhaps the most important one which is shared values. Vmeme. In their root, the individual right to nevigate his life as he wants to, free from coercion and authoritarian control. His narrative that Israel is merely an arm controlled by the body is superficial, reductive and childish.

I was reffering to the rest of your message (not just the part I quoted) that included a lot of dehumanization towards Israelis. Just read again the entire message.

Just like the dehumanization you have towards Israelis 🙂

@Raze An enemy who is growing nearby your town is a completely different reality for you than an enemy who "treatens the Western civilization" 8000 km away from you. I am not justifying any of the things you said some Israelis are saying but you can't compare apples and oranges.

@Raze I edited my comment to @Karmadhi and changed the tone that was less fair ("keep dreaming") but what he describes is a fantasy anyway.

Half of Israelis want the Two State Solution even today. See researches I added in the Israel/Palestine thread (the post of Ron Gerlitz).

Hostages But I personally think Israel shuold agree a deal and release them all long time ago.

This is nice as a fantasy.

This is not an invitation to demonize any country based on its government's actions or right wing sectors agenda that is implemented.

The comparison is very good. You know that Western countries as a whole have no problem to kill thousands of civillian in their war against terror when it is thousands of km from their home. Now imagine what would happen if ISIS was 50km from their homes.

@Karmadhi What do you think would happen if America or a European country like the one you live in, would have to face a direct threat from a neighboring terror state (not just Iraq they already attacked with thousands of civillians who got killed) let alone oct7? Are you sure they would react better then Israel? This obsession to hunt Israel you display is amazing.

Senior Israeli journalist (translated with Google Lens)

@AerisVahnEphelia Luckily development is measured first and foremost by moral clarity, because this is the deepest sign of an ability to truly connect the dots. Your message shows a misinterpretation of what development is.

But he isn't morally developed than the child. There are everywhere children who are like little Shamans who can teach many adults about moral and developed way of looking at the world.

I don't agree with that at all. Nazi Germnay is at the bottom of the moral scale. Tribes are better because at least each tribe member can fight for his life equally and with honor. The national structure isn't relevant to the question of development when it regresses into a mutant, cultish, sick form of such.