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I agree that a trauma like oct7 will have a similar effect, a least in the short term for sure, as seeing in your own eyes a plane getting crushed inside a city you thought of as the symbol of the advancement and your safe life from childhood. But a centrist leaders with ideologically mixed parties in his coalition who will quietly advance this seperation is very possible to my opinion. Actually he came also from Likud but throughout the years became more moderate and leaded the withdrawal from Gaza. Olmert who came after him was Center-Left and the negotiation with the Palestinians in his era were quite serious. This is true. I am not sure it will be possible with todays private security they get, but yeah scary.

This isn't the agenda of the parties in the Left and Center that are almost 50%. I follow them and hear their activists and voters for years. They are too little time in charge in the recent two decades (almost always Bibi). When they were in charge we have withrawal from Gaza. A publicly signed deal is almost like a betrayl in the eyes of the Right wingers and a leader has to be exeptionally brave to advance it. Me myself wouldn't be brave enough to do this say I would be a prime minister. You know what happened to the last prime minister who talked about peace in the most possible publicly and even romantic warm way. Rather there are movements who talk about how to do the Israeli-Palestinian seperation in a quiet and gradual way.

Yes but Green demonizes the construct 😝

@royce Ok then what is the problem with those 5 points you mentioned? Seems reasonable to me that good security is based on hiding information from foreign intelligence agencies as much as possible.

Depends on which Israel you talk about. The political sector I support (that almost won Netanyahu) wanted two state solution all the time prior to oct7 and even a true peace before the 2nd intifada. From this intifada Israelis cease to say 'peace' but just 'two state solution' / 'agreement' / 'deal' and such.

Well its really a thing that Construct Awareness can be seen also in this way. Interesting perspective. This is a very loose term that can, apparently, be interpreted in many ways.

This part sounds interesting. In the other hand the Solipsism or God realization I wouldn't connect to any stage and not so resonate with them. Though the Love thing I embrace. Anyway Turquoise is the stage I think I started to feel moments of here and there and this is why I am passionate to talk about it. But Coral I have never felt yet so I don't want to say anything about a stage I don't feel any experience with, but I will think about your points on it.

Thanks for thinking seriously on my points too, your summary seems nice to me. The construct aware though is a thing I am not sure about it and don't know exactly where to place it.

Sorry if you got hurted in some way, this isn't what I meant. This isn't about Muslim people, as we have 1.8 millions of such in Israeli cities and basically in any place here. The problem is not that, but the countries surrounding Israel that were all commited a war against the new country, what took decades to make peace with some of those. The fact those are Muslim countries is mentioned because of the ideological tension that by nature is created when a nation with a different religion is being established nearby them.

If we talk in this resolution then I didn't say I agree with the way this government manages the things. I am actually very anti this goverment's ideology. I think the hostages are the most urgent thing. About the war with Hezbollah this is a complicated issue with no clear cut answers.

@Godhead OR understanding you can no longer live by the good faith of others, return back to a land your tribe lived in for an equal amount of time like the Palestinian tribe lived in in order to share this land with them, but then being constantly attacked from inside and outside that you left with no choice but to partially restrict in force some of the other tribe when in meantime strive for a 2 state solution as half of your people believe even after decades of terror it is the right one.

@Godhead Again, this is a Gordian knot of fear and responses. it is harder to understand when you aren't in a constant survival mode as a Ville in a muslim Jungle from the first moment.

You apply this also to the opposite direction yes? Can you think about what caused the restrictions to tighten during the years? What about endless terror attacks trials and actual events that lead IDF to go always deeper and deeper into the West Bank? This is a Chicken and Egg problem.

@Raze Yeah far right wing journalists like you added in your links still exist here. As always the west is the responsible

Yes, Israeli TV is VERY moderate and nuanced in relation to the Right wing. To the point that the Right Wing really has only one channel (14) that represents him and even that with much less rating. The Right Wing always blames the mainstream media (11 and especially 12 and 13 channels) in their goal to collapse Netanyahu, for years, and this isn't a baseless accusation. The most mainstream channels here are highly Anti-Netanyahu.

This makes sense. I feel similar things about the "Construct-Ego Aware" stage of Susan Cook-Greuter that defined very narrowly to my feeling with a very New Age-ic even populist way. It has dissapointed me to my opinion and taste. What does not do justice with the richness and depth of any stage that supposed to have so much more values and traits than only this niche perspective I have read again in her article just lately. Feels like she has interviewed at this stage people from a specific discipline of thinking (out of many a given stage contains to my opinion), what is hard to blame her for due to the rarity of this stage in the population but I am sure a broader definition will come up in the future.

@Keryo Koffa I will soon read your insights about coral, but you quoted me in your own words which isn't exactly what I think 😶‍🌫️

This is true. The center-left parties and voters are Anti-Netanyahu obssessed (in the good sense. They are right) from 2015. Israel is for couple of years splitted to two similar in size polarized camps around Netanyahu.

Read it, I am not sure I can master this 100% but I will try my best.

In Yellow one navigates in his own mind complexities with compassion, self trust and self faith, free now really from culturaly conditioned ideas about what it means to be a "normal mind" or "normal path". In this way the depth of this stage transcends many mental disorders (or challenges if you want to identify yourself that way) and embrace their structure as a legitimate fruitful path, what diminishes most or almost all of the added suffering. Turquoise starts to appear when one starts to see the limitations of the ever navigating process and wants better fulfilling and deeper healing in the here and now, regardless of the coordinate one is found at in the great complex maze. Turquoise increases the resolution of the path in the way he can now look at the flowers growing aside the road of the maze and see the infinite potential every moment in the journey has independently to the others. This is my understanding so far to the main points at the best way I could formulate. Coral - what the hell is coral? I will go with your explanation that sounds interesting maybe you are right.

@royce I will take it as you wanted to compliment in your special way (;

Nice. I have somehow different version to them. But a bit overlap.

With our current government I don't blame them 🙃

I live in the center but Hezbollah shoot to Haifa and northward. We have a security cube in our garden but it is clastrophobic and only stressing so I can walk to a normal shelter at the end of the street. Hezbollah gives us 3-4 minutes to walk it is very calm in relation to hamas that gave us only 1:30.

Israeli journalists tree 🌲🇮🇱