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Because they are already Blue+ Not about Palestinians but about the Right wing of them and the extremists.

But stage Red life meaning and sense of purpose is gained by ever expanding and conquering, what would make extremists groups like hamas, Hezbollah and the like act the way they act even without any oppression or injustices, but just from the fact that an unwanted stranger is stuck between them.

I understand, yes, but I didn't say 'out of context' about that, but about the displaying of the evil way Ben Gurion did as was "THE way" Israel has founded, which is unfair because it was just a slice of the story of this giant long war, which even it was an end result of 30 years of escalation from both sides started mainly from the 1920s.

I wrote you what I think a page ago.

It is a bad unjustifiable part of the war, but a part of it. To generalize it to the way Israel has founded is like to saý that US is standing on the shoulders of slaves owners. Just out of context and proportions.

And? I explained the context after that you didn't read probably, and "dark side" doesnt mean he didn't have other sides to him.

I accept what you say. I am not so familiar with him in details, but fair enough to acknowledge the dark side of what has happaned and how he was directly involved in it. However, not istead of what you say but in addition, this civil war was a result of almost 30 years of gradual escalation that began in the 1920's. When overlooking this gradual thousands-steps-length process of almost 30 years of escalation and focusing only on the end result, the chance to abuse the situation to the favor of one side or another is very high, even with the best of intentions of the source, let alone when the source favors one side to begin with. Hence the distance between an only one sided ethnic cleansing and a war between two sides that fight each other (and right, do evil things too to one another) is as short as 1mm. Any ducomentary that isn't extremely careful will very fast drift away to an alternative reality in which one of the sides is the evil one and the other is the innocent, without even realizing it has been drifted by a powerful subcurrent.

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@zazen Seems like he wanted to express an appreciation to their point of view and to understand them. Since he was a prime minister of Israel he probably was patriotic enough to aknowledge Jews authentic right on this land too, living aside the Arabs (not instead). He talked also about the importance of coexistance between the two nations.

You don't need to be far right to support Israel in general (not necessarily agree with everything it does). It is enough to be in the center or a moderate Leftist.

But Leo attacked Netanyahu and Netanyahu deserves to be critisized, although I would disagree about the content because the nuclear program is just too dangerous. While this is true that Iran has a right to detter others from invasion to it, but given the size of Israel and therefore its valunerability to an atomic event, Israel will choose the safe side and do its best to prevent Iran from holding such a weapon what is very understandable to me.

It sees the problem as beautiful and interesting to mainly observe and examine with an appreciation. This is his way to encounter it and to make the change in the observed.

But you said that it keeps ruling because it is the most effective force in the region. So according to this if it will be no longer a dominant player in the region, it will have better chance to be defeated from inside.

But this is interesting because it implies that once someone from outside will outfight this regime, it can cease to rule. Therefore an outside intervention (not a manipulative one but an authentic one that done out of survival concerns and necessities of the interventor) of for example Israel against Iranian's regime can maybe be an important key in defeating it.

It could be that their regime is deterring enough that the citizens are too scared to really uprise against it. As I understand roughly 20-30% of the Iranian are pro the regime but most of them against it. Israel is just many things combining together and is extremely diverse and polarized. The group which is as developed as western or northern Europe here is just not big enough to win the elections. These are the anti Netanyahu camp.

Its interesting to see how your people have much more appreciation to the west's good sides when aren't for granted and can really see what for example many Europeens already can't.

The tensions and polarization are big yes. Especially between pro and anti Netanyahu today.

@Spiritual Warfare Read a bit about Israeli society. Most of whom aren't different then yours.

What happens to those women in these cases usually?

The real argument here is one's personal psychology being projected on the issue against the other's personal psychology being projected on the issue. So lets put the issue aside and just talk about daily life.

That was a gradual escalation of both sides since 1920s.

For 300 years and they have a right to be part of Israel if they feel connection.

The fact you respond so cynically only strenghtening my point. You overlook half of the equation. I can also say that most of the Palesinians who live here are offsprings of work immigrants who came here only decades before Israel, but I choose to not dismiss the Palestinians roots here.

Jews were majority for many centuries before became minority.

Jews lived here for Millenia and than deportated to an another Millenia and a half.