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This is their problem after all the suicide bombing they did and when a terror organization is in charge there, they cant expect maritime and air ways. Gaza shares border with egypt too.

@Karmadhi Dont know what is "the way they treated". They are an independent state in Gaza and under the PLO in West bank. The settlements problem could end if they would agree to only 1 out of 4653 offers they got.

@Karmadhi There is only one side who initiates attacks against civilians and another side who never (99.9% of its society and the decades long proven policy) wants to do anything unless provoked and acts against the attacks source. Numbers worth nothing out of context.

@zazen I wanted to comment but this isn't worth it. Tell me when the 7.10 denial sub thread will end 🙂

@Karmadhi And the Allied killed 350,000 to 500,000 in WW2. Numbers are meaningless without big picture context.

What do you think the rational behind this if this is indeed a policy? If so, I want to believe this is only possible because of the current radical government the most radical since Israel establishment. Far right wing toxicity.

It is frustrating to hear about those dark cells within the system but it is very difficult to demand the whole system to be disciplined or equally moral, with all the depressing reality of the fact that bad apples can infect he whole basket reputation. @Danioover9000 As every military has and often even more than IDF if to be honest.

They are human beings. They have at the very least 50% responsibility to the conflict dyamics, aside with full responsibility to their thinking patterns. They can make conclusions in many directions.

I was indeed brainwashed by exploded buses and restaurants, missiles and shooting on civilians from (almost) birth.

"Only ceasefire can free hostages" A temporary ceasefire.

@zazen The weapon you mention is already exist.

This is just fair to counteract the palestinian propaganda MONSTER being spreaded to hundreds of millions in numbers we cannot compete with, unless we invest in our algorithm to the point it will be better than the other ones.

This is only a result of a complex positive feedback happened before that. Thanks to the fact they were kicked out of Jordan too. Its interesting they can never get along with roughly ANYONE.

They got almost 50-50 in 1947. They were offered 67 lines. The 90's agreements were all trust building tries. The whole world tried to help them including Russia and the Arab League but it didn't help. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Annapolis_Conference

With that I agree. But no, the PLO are not open at all too and never were. They too rejected every proposal placed on their desk.

Palestinians are equally hostile to other countries too. Israel is not the source of the problem but an another trigger for them.

@lina @Leo Gura Ok so both sides were to blame quite equally. I tried to search for one side who "started" it but I could not find.

Who is to blame in that?

@Raze I do not so attached emotionaly to my Jewish identity as much as I care about my country values, but here there is a special case when those two things are overlap. That is why if the Jews will cease to be a majority here, then our values are in danger. To sum it up I am more Israeli than a Jew in my identity, but obviously I am not ashamed at all to be a Jew this is a good religion with decent values. Still a social construction and there are deeper identity facets I am more attached to.

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@Leo Gura I only like that he goes with his inner 'fire' and truth all the way (even when I am not necessarily agree with things he say) despite all the pressure on him from the outside. The problem is that he is willing to run over and destroy everything and everyone that stand on his way.

@Raze On one thing we can agree and is that Netanyahu is toxic.

Oh yes that was super iconic 🤩 And Neta in 2018 too. To be honest Sweden's song this year was beyond amazing (but the performance was less to my type).

I connected some dots today and realized that what many people here in this thread see as "Israel" is ,mainly, the 5% most far-right sector. I now understand this when I remember all the links and statements being quoted here. Why is that? Maybe those 5% have the highest sound volume, or that the world media wants to focus almost solely on them out of a confirmation bias.

+1 🧡 Liked your points.