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And this toxic extreme relativism ("just two sides of the same coin") end up serving only the less developed and in our case also less healthy side.

They are brutal to their own people too. If it wasn't Israel, they for sure would fight each other all day long. This is their operating system anyway.

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This is naiveness because hamas uses many neighborhoods as fortifications to the day IDF will come. This is absolutely critical for them to survive (along with assimilaing behind civilian purposely) because they know IDF is stronger. If you think some part of that is a collecitve punishment you will have to explain why you think that and then we can discuss if it does make sense. Right because Judaism is not like a physical quality as you say. This is much more than this. Judaism is a common character of a large group of people which expresses their unique values that very significantly goes against the values of the nations surrounding. A Jew majority is critical in order to deffent our country character and values.

I understand, so Israel is the occupier from the very reason it exists. And so every other country in the world which its establishment was on the account of the nearby country which means all countries.

To destroy entire neigborhoods AFTER their citizens were asked to leave 20 times with variety of means no other country in the world did it in the past. Like Isis has disappeared by itself after US left Iraq.

So you are saying that we control any state we have border with, according to your logic.

It depends on to where you take tham. They are meaningful operating systems rooted in valid truths but on the screen show many false images. Secularism is also a religion. If you want to get rid of religion you will have to encourage the people to upgrade it. If you get rid of X religion you will get another new religions built from its fragrances.

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I didn't see here anything apart of someone says this. Al Jazeera forced an Israeli mother who her children were kidnapped to say bad things about Israel in the interview when they brought a hamas person to air and did her an ambush. Al jazeera combined maipulatively a picture of an Israeli mother who her children were kidnapped as was a Gazaian citizen overwhelmed by the davastation there. I cannot trust them at all. People in Israel complain all the time how humane the conditions terrorists get in prisons so much so they can even do a degree.

So what is your seggestion to prevent another 7.10? Sounds logic but thats how the brain works to prefer your tribe this is a deep wiring, Agree. The problem is broader. We left gaza in 2005 providing them every day basic needs they can't provide because they don't have maritime and air ways for good reasons. Israel let its prisoner humane conditions and even the ability to do a degree. This fake symmery is absurd. There is a night and day difference. What a convincing slogan. Muslims and Christians have 100 countries. Jews have one ethno state and need it to keep deffend their values. The second part is utterly absurd. More than 90% I agree. They are in their 20's and risking their lives but it won't convince you because you are emotionally against them anyway. You are totally wrong here.

@jaylimix What being Imaged is the simplisticity of things becuase our mind does superhighway shortcuts and what we see are schemes of reality that are partially or mostly false. The more you develop yourself the more you see the complexity and those schemes dissolve and upgrade themselves. To say that everything is equally imaginary is a simplification I don't agree with.

Maybe but I think they needed the hostages alive to survive because otherwise they would have 100% been eliminated. Now they have at least a chance to make a deal to save themselves and their hold on Gaza. Also some of the hostages were murdered.

This is engineered by hamas:

Let alone the fact that many of these soldiers are around age 20 and slightly above. They are half-kids.

Do you mean that you see them as less evil now? I think they didn't hold the hostages alive because of humane reasons (maybe in the micro level, every terrorist can be re-shaped if got to know the other side closely as was with the kidnappers I want to believe it) and after the horrific things they did that are way more than "just" to kill, I really don't want to think about them in any other, way at least not in the macro level, apart of an Isis like organization.

Violent murdering indoctrination vs non-violent metaphorical scheme kids learn in Torah lessons in 2nd grade when god talked to Abraham. Wow. I can't stop staring this art of symmetry.

@bebotalk But don't you think palestinians are much more wrong from the fact they educate their children to hate, jihad and killing others?

+1 ❤ The fake symmery and the myth of "just two sides of the same coin" (so romantic) must be stopped because it only gives a price and an advantage position to the less developed side, and as we have seen again only 2 days ago in Tulkarem, not in the very healthy zone of the spectrum.

@Parallax Mind Exactly. Toxic neutrality and toxic extreme relativism eventually serves the less developed side in this case the Palestinians. The situation is not symmetric at all, but it doesn't release Israel from responsibility to do trust building steps.

@bebotalk This is wrong. You are invited to visit Tulkarem and if you will be able to stay alive there you can visit the electric poll on which two palestinians were hanged two days ago after been suspected for cooperation with Israel while all the crowd shout and cheer in glee in front of them. There are NO two equal sides here. This is NOT "just two sides of the same coin." Israelis have western values and western culture at the same development level as US and part of Europe (except northern Europe). Palestinians have mainly red to blue culture and probably on the less healthy side on the spectrum. Yes Israel has the responsibility to do necessary steps on its side to help promote peace with the Palestinians while the Palestinians have to stop being serial peace refusals.

Its absolutely shaking just the thought what would happen to them and how those kids themselves would manage if they would not release. Infinitely ungraspable.

Maybe the leadres are just more experienced and mature than the average young protestor and know that ceasefire won't solve anything as long as hamas is in charge on Gaza. I can agree about the problem with the ever expansion of the settlements in the west bank and if a demonstration talks about this thing sepcifically I can even understand. But rarely this is the real goal of a pro palestinian protest and rarely you will see a protest with that much specific narrative.

@kenway That is a very interesting theory but problematic and fulled with flaws. What I know is that in the early 2000's Israel was MUCH more hated when the world was quite sure those suicide bombers are actually a freedom figthers. I live here, I was a teenager in the 2nd intifada and the vibe we got from the world then was so different for the worse. From then, a handful of peace negotiations between Israel an the Emirates, Bahrain, Morroco, Sudan. A normalization with Saudi Arabia when for the first time Israeli commercial airplanes can fly upon their country. The world today understand better than ever that the palestinians are serial peace refusal and also have a big part of the responsibility for the problem. Let alone the arab world understands this. The demonstrations are maybe more ebullient these days but this is also more trendy today to be special and fight for your truth. In Israel too the inner demonstrations had expanded quite greatly in their volume over the last decade and a half. Also don't forget Europe today is fulled by arab refugees what wasn't at all the case in 2006.

Last night with it's infinite cruelty hamas seperated in purpose between family members contrary to the deal and left a mother as a hostage while her daugther was released. Also it's not that hamas wants to release anybody in a good gesture, it just doesn't have a choice after being under a military pressure and needed couple of days to re-arm. Thanks to that the deal made possible.