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@zazen Every society has its edge cases. I have never seen Israeli childern sing like this before. What needs to be remembered: In israel this is an edge. In Gaza this is the norm. but you will keep cherry pick cases like this from channels managed by people who have never set their foot on here.

Agree. Thay can't get a state unless there will be a security belt of 20-30km depth all over the west bank maybe this is the only possible scenario.

@LSD-Rumi I would argue about the details a lot but I want to stress another point now: This is exactly what hamas wants people to say. hamas is a clever virus that engineered the situation in such a way that claims like you make are an inheret part of its deffense mechanism against the physical attack on him. It is not stupid. It knows it is much weaker and thats why its deffense strategy is highly manipulative and half of its efforts are aimed to maintain this non-physical deffense stage orange strategy the most senior among hamas people are capable to do.

"hamas IS the palestinians in Gaza" "They (the civilians) cheer them (the terrorists) on with such glee, with such pride" An important video: https://www.instagram.com/reel/Cz5rCKzo7_b/?igshid=MzRlODBiNWFlZA== What does not give an excuse to not trying to attack only official hamas people as accurate as possible of course, BUT it meant to show something deeper about the decay the whole Gaza's society is found in. The collateral damage is not pleasant and has to be minimized as much as possible, but it cannot be avoided if we want to heal the society of Gaza in the long term. And before you jump, of course this is not the IDF that will heal them, but only their leaders who will come after that will, but the first part of the healing process its the IDF that have to do.

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I understand, but many or most of the "kicking out" was only after the arabs started resisting violently the Jews who came here during the British Mandatory and especially after the war the arab initiated in respone the the UN Partition Plan. Thats what I understand but if you have another data please add because I am not an expert and maybe I dont see the whole picture. About the settlements I agree with you, but in the other hand the opposite is also true because Israel has offered the palestinians endless times to establish a state for them with eastern Jerusalem as their capital and most of the west bank area, and they have always rejected every proposal including when we offered them that we will retreat back to 67' lines (with areas exchanges). Let alone the evacuation of Israel from Gaza in 2005 letting them a decent independence to live their life however they want.

Nice to hear that and even more intersting now to hear what you think seriously. When you have time relate please also to what I wrote above and add of course what you want.

Imagine being bombed by missiles for 15 years from south and threatened also by another proxy military in Lebanon, leading by A regime in Iran who develop nuclear power and also declare it wants to destruct you. Also from east you have thousands of hamas terrorists not recognizing at all you country's right to exist. And when you try to deffend yourself, they mix themselves in civilians to prevent you from doing that and the world believe them. Would you feel this is right and does justness with you? Don't hurry to judge a survival situation of a society you have not experienced.

This quote proves you don't know Israel's strategy and way of thinking. *Buildings which are mostly empty from civilians (who were asked to leave) and uses as hamas fortifications against IDF. Fairly yes there are civilian casualties because of hamas #1 strategy to assimilate among them very manipulatively. But the numbers are very likely highly manipulated too, which doesn't mean Israel has at all no room to improve its accuracy, but the world has to understand we are dealing with a clever virus and not just a stupid suicidal animal.

This number is very likely a mixture of hamas people and civilians together: Also the west is not all stupid and knows hamas assimilates itself among civilians as deep as possible and as manipulative as possible because that its #1 survival strategy and what it does all day long, as he knows IDF is much stronger.

@zazen I would doubt and question very seriously, checking it again from a blank slate - What is really the number of civilians casualties in Gaza? It seems that Gaza's health ministry reports are mixings hamas people with civilians. Worth couple of minutes to hear this:

@Karmadhi Again, the radicalization as we see from hamas was here even before 48'. Can you give examples that disturb you the most about how bad Israel treat the palestinians in your opinion? BTW if France were surrounded by huge 6 enemy countries treaten to kill all of its citizens and one of them would let France only a narrow corridor between its border and the sea of 30km length, wouldn't france also keep those countries guarded by it, even grossly and maybe not always in nice ways, especially this country mentioned?

@Karmadhi Let me guess that Israel is also to blame in Amin al Husseini nazi-like ideology towards the jews in 1930's even before it was established! Mind blowing. The less developed side has far more fault. Israel's responsibility to the redicalization of the pelstinians exists, but it is only a secondary effect that couldnt happen without the palestinians initial tendency to easily radicalize in certain ways in the first place. The Arabs here were quite radical against the Jews and the idea of a Jewish state (a fraction of them of course) way before 67' and 48'.

And now a mother who her daugther is kidnapped in gaza tell she was interviewed by Al Jazeera and they were attacking her for 55 minutes (!) in the interview and even did to her an "ambush" when joined a hamas commander to the interview who demanded her to condemn Israel what made her quit the interview. Its unbelievable how heartless and shameless they are.

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Investigate your emotions. Who makes you feel envy? Who annoys you the most? What do you feel you are missing the most right now? These are things you want to incorporate into yourself BUT in the healthy version of them (not necessarily in the form you see it on the other person). Don't intelectualize but just wait for a raw emotion to come directly from your subconscious. Be patient. Then, when you feel the anger, don't just move on but really express this anger, and translate it into a plan of how to become this thing/quality that you are defficient in and supposed to be because you know deep down this is meant to be yours, because this is your deeper self. Quality > material thing For example if I am difficient in sex, the sexi-ness I want to integrate into myself is MORE important than the actual sex (and much more broad than just physical quality) that anyway will come organically easily after I integrate the quality. Feel the unjustness of why the other person has this and you dont have yet. From this feeling of unjustness - act. And the most important thing: Be patient, loving and flexible with yourself in the process.

Everything is so simple in their eyes 🤦‍♂️

The security situation in this place is always SO explosive, that I cannot blame any side here do what it understands to balance the situation. Long term this is true that neither response is not so smart to calm the things down. But just compassion also won't do this because if it was so simple you would not need a security force there to begin with. This is so complicated that there is an external player needed to manage this thing: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jerusalem_Waqf

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Yes he seems to me like the best option for the election that probably will come after the war I think I will vote to him. Even when the two camps (liberal vs pro yariv levin's plan to reform the court) were fighting each other to hell, Gantz although was very liberal and anti the reform, still tried all the time to promote a communication with all the sides and thats why I think he is green but also slightly above. After october 7th everything has changed and this internal fighting is an history. Our society has changed forever and I hope that to the better.

Maybe there is a terror organization who's number one survival strategic is to assimilate among civilians as much as possible because otherwise it has 0% chance to survive, and thats why this is what it does ALL DAY LONG.

There is some truth in the responsibility claim but partially. Kids are really 100% innocent this is true. There is something in what you say. Those "green" 18-22 kids were "jumped" into green from educational content but with poor stractural foundations. They have not really came to green by themselves and by neurological development efforts. Their orange, blue and red are quite poorly integrated, what can explain their craving for red and therefore their support in the palestinians.

This Jabalia case is a very specific one, which intelligence sources claimed there was an entire battallion's headquarter in tunnels under houses in that camp. This is not at all just "one hamas commander". This is an area civilians have been asked to leave before, by the way. Also couple of buildings there have collapsed beause of hamas's tunnel underneath them. ALSO, when IDF decides to eliminate a hamas commander, this tends to be very accurate with a guided missile to his house/car.