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@Leo Gura Becuase at the beginning you wrote they don't care about society, so my point is that I think this shows they do care about society - not only about themselves - but only if done in their own way. If I imagine myself become the prime minister in the center-left democratic sector, I would also want my way to win, yet I would still genuinely want society to be better. I think many politicians, especially in the more developed sectors, want both things, so I see politics, and maybe every field in life, as not purely about selfishness, but rather a mix between lower and higher self do an arm wrestling.

I mean that they think they do good for their group/country/world. For example Trump and Netanyahu are super selfish but they still act upon their belief they are here to make their country better.

But their worldview is what they believe as the good and the right thing

When in daily life do you feel anger but hide it and not express it in a constructive way? Do you please others at the expense of your priorities? Are you sometimes afraid to tell your opinions or values to not get dragged into arguments? Is there any kind of sport you know you really want to do but have not found the time for it yet?

@Hatfort Defensive Shield operation Israel did in the West Bank started in March 2002 after 2 years of almost daily terror attacks and suicide bombing inside Israeli cities, during which IDF has fought terror groups of the PLO and hamas. Up until this day hamas and other terror groups in the West Bank try to gain power, what IDF in a co-operation with the Palestinians authority fight every day to prevent. This continues for 23 years. It is easy to say that everything that happens there is an "oppression" but in reality the dynamics is more complicated and involves both security, restrictions and yes also corruption and an abuse of power by soldiers and settlers what lead all together to an oppressive dynamics. The solution to this loop is to seperate between Israelis and Palestinians, put a strong and secure border in the middle and not to point fingers on one side or another showing why it is the 'greatest evil' and the other side innocent and good. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Defensive_Shield

But the way people see the word "Zionism" here is the ideology of the far-right that wants all the land. This isn't the definition you and I grew up with. This word is heavily abused and used as a shortcut to the brain to get locked even more tightly on its beliefs depending on the camp you identify with, whether your definition is more or less fair, more or less demonizing, this has become an empty trojan-horse word.

Second to Head of IDF between 2014-2017, Yair Golan.

He weakens the country long-term. Israel did better before him.

The liberal Israel that I know for 37 years is being treatened by Netanyahu, Ben Gvir and Smotrich and their far right sectors more than any external enemy. I wish my country to be splitted to two constitutional countries, because I think the value systems gaps are too wide to be bridged at this point.

Israel was wrong to take this area from Egypt's (Egyptian martial law) in 1967. From then until today Gaza is a problem neither of the sides know how to solve.

Both the current Israeli government's strategy and Putin's one are deeply wrong. Russia attacks are between far less to non selective and far more barbaric and potentially much more harmful in their outcome, but the giant area of Ukraine help its citizens to mobilize easily and be relatively protected. Whereas in Gaza, even selective attacks (though not smart or careful even when the price of the attack is obvious) similarly to US and European coalition operations, will cause huge damage due to the exeptional density of the area.

Former Head of IDF (2002-2005) and Minister of Defense (2013-2016) Moshe Ya'alon.

I don't know to what exactly he meant but I think the intention of real spirituality isn't 'doing nothing' at all, but actually doing a lot. The questions are what and how, from which principles and so on.

https://x.com/OrlyBarlevEng/status/1957419612577972518

The founding prime ministers were indeed from Eastern Europe, and from the 70s until today they were mostly born in Israel. And yes they have changed a bit their names. I see now it was a wide trend among Israeli citizens back then.

What do you mean by a bipolar state?

Hunderds of reserve air crew demand the end of the war.

Former Heads of IDF, Heads of Mossad and Heads of Shin Bet with an unprecedented call: "End the war, and bring back all the hostages". Link to the translated full video: https://x.com/YallaTikva/status/1952249191985520801

They are a sector inside Israel, like the Evangelicals are in the US. They do not represent the entire Israel just like Evangelicans do not represent the US.

59% of Jews and 64% of Israelis prefer a Palestinian state over settling Gaza. When asked only on settling Gaza the support was smaller than in this survey. Full post here: https://x.com/afdirohak/status/1950976380478390783 " Good evening, because we’ve had enough — and this is the most important statistic you’ll read about the war. Today I saw that Israel Hayom published a poll showing a “majority” supporting settlement in Gaza, and of course, ministers are back to talking about annexation — so it’s time to burst the bubble. Let’s dive in a bit: In January this year, Agam Labs, led by Dr. Nimrod Nir, conducted a comprehensive study on public opinion regarding the war. You might not know Nimrod, but your politicians do — he’s probably the most accurate pollster in Israel (and that’s not an exaggeration). Just so you get the picture — most polls you see on TV and in the press (including the one published by Israel Hayom) include around 500 respondents, or just over 400 Jewish respondents. The survey I’m attaching below had over 4,500. That means a Jewish sample ten times larger than the standard poll (!) And what did the survey find? Not only do 70% of Jewish Israelis support a ceasefire that includes the return of the hostages (this stat isn’t in the attached image), but about 59% of Jews, when forced to choose, prefer the establishment of a demilitarized Palestinian state under Arab states’ supervision over annexation and Jewish settlement in Gaza. Naturally, when “Jewish settlement in Gaza” is presented as a separate question — and not as a binary choice against a Palestinian state — it gets even less support. Again, this isn’t just about support for a hostage deal or a halt in fighting — that majority has existed for a while, and every report shows it’s only growing. This is a clear public answer to the core dilemma of the “day after”: No to annexation, yes to a demilitarized Palestinian state with Arab oversight. And you know what’s wild? This is just a survey of the Jewish public. Add in the Arab public — the vast majority of whom support these initiatives — and you get a very solid Israeli majority. These numbers also translate into support for specific policy proposals. In May of this year, when Trump was in Saudi Arabia and political initiatives were on the table, a survey with over 2,000 respondents (also available on the Agam Labs website) showed that 64% of the entire Israeli public (Jews and Arabs) supported implementing Trump’s plan: ceasefire, establishment of a demilitarized Palestinian state, American security guarantees for Israel, and normalization with Saudi Arabia. The truth is, if you only listened to the politicians (on the right and the left), you probably wouldn’t realize this is the public’s view. The coalition enthusiastically supports annexation, but large parts of the opposition still hesitate to say what their solution is for the “day after” in Gaza — or what their political solution is at all. And honestly — it’s a bit absurd. Annexation supporters echo their stance as if an overwhelming majority is behind them, while many in the opposition are afraid to utter the words “Palestinian state,” as if it’s a demon that must stay in a bottle — despite the fact that Israeli public opinion clearly prefers this solution, assuming the right conditions (demilitarization, Arab partnership/supervision, etc.). So what do we do? We bust the lies, amplify the data and the truth, and don’t shy away from speaking our minds. Good evening to the brave. "

@Raze The title is misleading. Look at the detailed survey questions inside. Even according to them only 29% of the secular people want this and even them not out of ideology but from the trauma of oct7. Only 10% have an hard core ideology to settle in Gaza.

Many people may adopt green ideas when they aren't really ready for or barely at stage green themselves, such that they take those notions and act them toxically, from their real stage which is orange or blue. Some do really get their center of gravity to Green but they are still a significant minority in the western world. We can say I think that half of the westerners are 50% orange 50% green at most.