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Center-Left camp🎍🍃 key Knesset members and journalists condemn settler terrorism.

Israel is a very unusual case. The only common denominator connecting 80% of its citizens is simply being Jewish, but this ethnic character is precisely what makes the country diverse, as those Jews come from vastly different cultural backgrounds. But during the last couple of years this divergence has been getting sharper. The turning point was in January 2023 when Netanyahu's new government started to pass laws that could reform the court in a way that deeply threatens liberal democracy. Today the continuation of the war has pushed this split to the breaking point, while the new and blessed agreement can only improve it to some extent and temporarily. I will add here posts, videos and tweets showing the diversity in opinions and stances in Israel, and broader, sort of cold civil war happening here. Right-wing sectors are anyway over (and almost solely) emphasized in the international media so I will show them a little less here and will focus on many other voices. All posts are new and from these days, often from the same day or week they are posted (unless I will mention something else). Also all the posts are by Israelis 🇮🇱 only and always translated from Hebrew. The thread is time-limited 📆 and seasonal. I mean, literally seasonal🌧, until early or mid-winter (January maybe) then I will take a break for a month or two from personal threads, and then perhaps will open something similar with a bit different vibe and temperament to keep it fresh, or even a different Israeli related topic that will fit the theme of the time. I will try (apart from today) to add no more than one update every 1-2 days so as not to dominate the forum landscape too strongly and to really make it a choice to read for whoever truly wants to. You are welcome to ask anything you want and to debate.

I add to here an article to further discuss this question because it is difficult to me to grasp how western educated normal people have agreed to kill people just for (more) money during Yugoslavia war. The post: " A Safari for Hunting Human Beings I have documented some horrific things in my career as a journalist— from the genocide in Rwanda to ISIS, and everything in between— but if the reports currently shaking Europe turn out to be true, we are dealing with one of the sickest, most depraved, monstrous acts imaginable, and it appears they took place in the very first war I ever covered. Sarajevo, capital of Bosnia, 1992–1995. These were the years when the country once called Yugoslavia was tearing itself apart in a series of brutal wars. The bloodiest conflict was in Bosnia, where Serbs, Croats, and Muslims fought one another. Sarajevo, Bosnia’s capital—mostly Muslim—was besieged by the Bosnian Serb army from 1992 to 1995. Side note 1: The Muslims of Bosnia were originally Serbs and Croats (Christians). Centuries ago, when the Ottoman Empire conquered the region, many converted to Islam for convenience. The Serbs who did not convert saw them as the worst traitors. To this day, they call them “Turks” as an insult. Side note 2: All sides—Serbs, Croats, and Muslims—committed atrocities in this war. And we, more than anyone, must be careful not to divide the world into absolute good guys and bad guys, black and white. Sarajevo is a stunningly beautiful city—in peacetime. In war it became a death trap. The city is surrounded by hills overlooking it from all sides. And on those hills, for three and a half years, the most ruthless snipers positioned themselves and fired at anyone moving in the city below. I use the word “ruthless” deliberately. The leader of the Bosnian Serbs, the man orchestrating this war, was Radovan Karadžić. Before the war he was a psychiatrist. His specialty: “states of chaos.” In many ways, Bosnia became his practical laboratory—fighting in a way meant to drive the enemy insane, to push them to abandon their homes forever. Karadžić would later become the number one wanted man at The Hague for war crimes in Bosnia. That’s where I arrived. I was on the side of those being shot at. The siege of Sarajevo was horrific. Every step outside was a gamble with your life. But people couldn’t stay indoors forever—they needed water, food, firewood. Winters were freezing. Not far from there, just before the war, the Winter Olympics had been held. So there was almost no walking in the streets—only running. Civilians walked or sprinted pressed against walls or anything that could hide them even for a moment from the sniper’s line of fire. In the photo, you may see a soldier, but most of those running were civilians. When the wall ended, they’d take a deep breath and sprint to the next one. During those few seconds, sniper shots echoed. And sometimes the running figure fell. They had been hit. Even worse was understanding that there was nothing you could do to help someone who collapsed—because the sniper was still aiming. In the early days, almost everyone who exposed themselves trying to pull a wounded person to safety was immediately shot as well. This was my first time in a war zone. Completely surreal. Terrifying. I kept wondering—unable to comprehend—how snipers could deliberately pick off civilians, women, the elderly, children… What made it even more surreal was that one of the most “convenient” sniper positions overlooking the city was in the Jewish cemetery on one of Sarajevo’s hills. It was the most frightening place for me, and for everyone down in the city center. Sarajevo was hell. And now, it turns out that many people from Western countries wanted to take part in this hell. Wealthy, respectable middle-class civilians from Western Europe and the U.S., who longed to stand on those hills and shoot at civilians trying to flee for their lives. It is hard for me to accept that I’m even writing this. For years I thought this was nothing more than an urban legend. But in recent days, names have begun to surface— people who went on “Sarajevo safaris” to hunt human beings, paying a fortune to fulfill their sick fantasy. They approached the Serb militias on the hills, paid €80–100k (in today’s value), and received access to sniper positions—and sometimes weapons as well. Following an investigation by an Italian journalist and a documentary about “murder tourism” in Sarajevo, it was revealed that these “hunting trips” were usually held on weekends—because the participants were wealthy businessmen who worked their normal jobs during the week. The chief prosecutor in Milan has opened an investigation, since among roughly a hundred identified participants, several were Italian. > “We are talking about people with money, with reputations—businessmen who, during the siege of Sarajevo, paid in order to kill unarmed civilians. They left Trieste to go hunting and then returned to carry on with their normal lives.” And it gets even more insane… Apparently there was a price list for those who wanted to shoot and kill: “Children cost more, then men—preferably in uniform and armed—then women, and lastly the elderly, who could be killed for free.” I no longer know what to think or write about the human spirit and the distortions that exist in human beings. In the coming days we will likely learn more. For the record, the Serbs (the Bosnian Serbs—Republika Srpska) deny all these reports as a malicious fabrication. During those years in Sarajevo, 10,000–15,000 civilians were killed by sniper fire. In Bosnia as a whole, over 100,000 people were killed in that war. " https://www.facebook.com/share/p/1HmV5jxXew/

Opposition member MK Merav Cohen (Lapid's party) on settler terrorism.

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The Right-wing's turn again 🏰 🛶

The Military Prosecutor storm ⛈️

@Raze She admitted her actions. I tried, but I couldn't follow the author's logic. Tomorrow I will add new posts on this topic.

I think Green and Yellow exist in underdeveloped countries too, even if surely not as common as in Western countries. I agree with you that it doesn't make sense that Green and Yellow didn't exist in the past. After all those are neorological structures that can be developed independently regardless of the structure of society, just that it will be less common when the society is pre modern and the brain is more worried about basic physical needs.

Yesterday was the rally marking 30 years since the assassination of the Israeli prime minister Yitzhak Rabin.

When entering it 200+ trucks mostly with food and aid every day for 15 years.

Yemen field's sensitive video of abuse (leaked by Israeli military persecuter what caused her firing), caused a lot of outrage and responses in the last 24 hours, showed here from both political sides in Israel (As always, only posts from Israelis in this thread).

Center-Left wing camp new posts🎍🎑

@Infinity16 Yes threat definitely plays a role for some, culture and norms for others. Ultra orthodox have huge fertility of 6 to 7 children what drags the average up.

@Infinity16 Indeed a lot of Blue. I don't know if more than US, maybe to some degree yes but I am not sure about the difference in amount. What I can say is that Blue here is more reactive and edgy.

The daily chapter. Who needs netflix when you have Israel. Right wing new posts 🏰⛲️

The Center-Left camp ☕️🍃 all from today (Next chapter the pendulum move again to the right...)

Great. Sounds you are in your right path.

@Daniel Balan Do you feel today better and calmer than the times before you revolted?

What were the emotions you felt when you choses the opposite? Was it from fear and anger, or from curiosity and the desire to expand and grow?

The brain weighs a claim not according to logic, but according to its sum credibility it gets from the social matrix, to ensure it feels belonged, loved, more moral and special. Then it confuses this with logic, because the deeper survival circuits in the brain have much more control over the prefrontal cortex than the other way around.

Mansour Abbas party: United Arab List 5 mandates/seats out of 120 = 4% of the population. Spiral Dynamics: 🔵🔵🟠 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Arab_List Mansour Abbas has shown a relatively pragmatic, accepting and result-oriented approach, rather than a strict ideologic one. Lower voting percentage, fragmentation into small Arab lists that causes votes to get erased due to getting under the 3.25% treshold, along with partial votins to Jewish parties - leave those parties with half the number of seats expected from their size (20%) in the population.

Avigdor Liberman's party: Israel Our Home 6 mandates/seats out of 120 = 5% of the population. Spiral Dynamics: 🔵🟠 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yisrael_Beiteinu It is one of the main political representatives of Russian-speaking Israelis. The party was established after the major wave of post-Soviet immigration in the 1990s. Around 1 million Russian-speaking immigrants arrived in that period. Roughly 15% of Israel’s population are Russian-speaking.

Yair Golan, leader of the Democrats party, yesterday (: (The second part of the tweet: Smotrich said in the past that hamas is an asset and PLO is a burden. Yair quotes him here and criticise him)