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All your claiming is you don’t like bigger pictures. Do you support the brutality of the Chinese government? Then why not stop buying everything from China? But I guess that’s too broad of a thing to be emotionally invested in? 99% of public out cries go nowhere, and when it does change society by passing laws or something, it’s all backhanded sweep under the rug and replaced by some new law in the future, overruling it under everyone’s nose. Whatever people gain fighting the rich without money or power is a waste of time because it’s trying to fight symptoms, not the root of the problem. Every small victory will always be wiped clean in the end. Look at the housing crisis we are in, none of that has to do with Elon. There is value in people speaking out, but I think the lowest form of that is where people decide to put their money. It’s such a lazy approach. if everyone did it all at the same time and we were all coordinated together, then it would be very effective. But that’s not how it ever plays out in practice. Most people don’t care at all.

Nice find!

Alan Watts was an alcoholic.

People develop in a lopsided way. Your at many stages of development all at the same time. The model understands this. The biggest issue I'm seeing here is people are confusing the model for the examples it gives. For example "stage 8 is supposed to be wise and in unison with nature." < this is a general example that does not at all represent what the model is trying to communicate. You could be at stage 8 and into BDSM, it makes no difference. You could be mature at any stage of development. You could be wise at any stage of development. The stages only suggest one slice of reality and that's your values. Your values tend to go up in a hierarchical way cuz some values are more inclusive than others they take more into consideration. Let me complete and expand on this important clarification: Adding to this crucial point: 1. What The Model Actually Addresses: - It's specifically about the evolution of value systems - Not about personality traits, lifestyle choices, or personal preferences - Not about wisdom, maturity, or "being a good person" - Just about how you make sense of and value things in the world 2. Common Misconceptions: - People think higher stages mean "better person" - they don't - People confuse examples (like "connection with nature") with the actual structure - People think it prescribes specific behaviors or lifestyles - People assume it judges personal choices or preferences 3. What "Higher Stages" Actually Mean: - More inclusive value systems - Greater capacity to understand different perspectives - More complex ways of making sense of the world - NOT better lifestyle choices or personal characteristics 4. Example to Illustrate: Someone at a "higher stage" might: - Be terrible at relationships - Have unconventional lifestyle choices - Struggle with basic life skills - Have any kind of personality or preferences BUT they would have a more inclusive way of understanding and valuing different perspectives 5. The Real Hierarchy: - Not about personal worth - Not about lifestyle choices - Not about wisdom or maturity - Just about the complexity and inclusiveness of value systems This clarification helps resolve some of the criticism in the original text - the model isn't actually trying to create a universal hierarchy of human development, just mapping how value systems tend to evolve in complexity. Let me break this down with concrete examples of how value systems can evolve in complexity while being separate from personality, wisdom, or lifestyle choices: 1. Simple to Complex Value Evolution Example: - Stage 1: "I value what's directly good for me" - Stage 2: "I value what's good for my family/tribe" - Stage 3: "I value what's good for my nation/belief group" - Stage 4: "I value what's good for all humans" - Stage 5: "I value what's good for all living things" - Higher: "I can understand and work with all these value systems while seeing their limitations" 2. Business Ethics Example: Lower Complexity: - "Profit is all that matters" - Can't see why environmental concerns should affect business decisions - Views regulations as pure obstacles Higher Complexity: - Can balance profit with environmental impact - Understands both shareholder and stakeholder perspectives - Can navigate between short-term and long-term benefits - Note: Might still choose profit over environment, but understands the full complexity of the choice 3. Political Views Example: Lower Complexity: - "My political party is always right" - "The other side is evil/stupid" - Can't understand why anyone would disagree Higher Complexity: - Can understand multiple political perspectives - Sees value and flaws in different systems - Can hold contradictory viewpoints in mind - Note: Might still strongly prefer one party, but understands the larger context 4. Cultural Values Example: Lower Complexity: - "My culture's way is the only right way" - Judges other cultures by own standards - Can't see value in different approaches Higher Complexity: - Can appreciate multiple cultural perspectives - Understands cultural practices in their context - Can navigate between different cultural frameworks - Note: Might still prefer own culture but understands why others value theirs 5. Personal Choices Example: Someone with a higher complexity value system: - Might be into extreme sports - Might be very traditional in some ways - Might have any sexual preferences - Might be messy or organized BUT can understand and work with multiple perspectives about these choices 6. Religious/Spiritual Example: Lower Complexity: - "My religion is the only true one" - Can't understand other faiths - Rigid interpretation of beliefs Higher Complexity: - Can see value in multiple religious perspectives - Understands metaphorical and literal interpretations - Can hold strong personal beliefs while respecting others - Note: Might still be deeply committed to one religion but understands the validity of other paths The key point: In each case, what's "higher" isn't: - The specific choices made - The lifestyle lived - The beliefs held - The personality expressed What's "higher" is: - The ability to understand multiple perspectives - The capacity to hold complexity - The breadth of what's included in the value system - The flexibility in navigating different viewpoints A person could be at a "higher stage" and: - Be a CEO or a janitor - Be religious or atheist - Be traditional or unconventional - Have any personality type - Make any lifestyle choices

Wow fantastic!

so someone figured out how to get rich?

Elon did a lot of great things, he deserves credit, be careful blinding yourself emotionally.

Be careful distorting history. We would have no electric car competition between all the car manufacturers. They were all pushed and forced into making electric cars because of the explosion of Tesla. The electric cars before Tesla were poor and not popular and had almost 0 position in the market. Tesla force all the other companies to make electric cars. We would have none today.

It's pretty crazy activists have been pushing for the elimination of fossil fuels and clean air and clean energy. and now that it has been achieved we are boycotting the company that started it all. Can you guys get your priorities straight? Electric cars wouldn't exist if Elon wasn't around we would still only have fossil fuel vehicles.

@PurpleTree you know how people buy things emotionally? You are "not buying something" emotionally. And then calling it activism. Instead do real work.

Do people have opinions or are there higher and lower perspectives?

If Elon decides to make a house tomorrow, that’s 90% cheaper than all other houses and 90% better, you would be a fool not to buy it. individual activism pretends that it’s just not part of the selfish bubble of society. Nestlé is one of the worst companies in society and likely you buy its products every single day. Consuming is not avoidable and trying to avoid it would be a massive waste of time when you could be doing other things to benefit yourself your family or the greater good.

I just don’t believe an individual activism like this. It’s fine to be vocal about disliking a public figure and warning everyone about it, but it’s another thing to alter your lifestyle for some greater good. Life is very challenging and you should be doing everything you can to succeed and not over focus on an idealistic agenda. Most people make minimum wage and live paycheque to paycheque barely surviving, if you wanna make a difference, get extremely rich and then funnel that money into something useful for society.

Elon is in the public eye, all the other car manufacturers are not. But they're just as evil?

I’ve experienced driving Teslas and from that experience I could tell you there was some of the best cars ever manufactured. The engineering intelligence that went into this car is obvious when you drive one. That being said it doesn’t matter which company you’re buying a car from. It’s all part of the same inequality capitalist corporative black hole. You’re a consumer consuming in the end. Just make a good financial decisions and investments instead, and focus on yourself. Instead of pretending to be a social justice warrior.

1) You are not doing science, you’re gaping science and blindly repeating what it told you. As you stated science tries to prove things from scratch, but you’re not doing that. 2) science is not needed to form a deeper perspective on religion, because people in the past before science was invented, were able to construct deeper perspectives on religion and spirituality. Science is a crutch. And if you want to understand this at a deeper level you have to get rid of it. It makes no difference if the earth is 10,000 years old or 4.6 billion. How would that deepin ones understanding of anything? If doesn’t. The stories science is saying is no better than any other story in this context. “Therefore the situation is we have to choose between mythical answers which have no proof or uncompleted answers in the meantime .” There’se no need to choose, you have to discover everything on your own from scratch. Choosing is like picking one story book over the other. Which storybook do you like better?

Introverts tend to have fewer friends, but those friendships tend to be closer and have more depth to them. Extravert tend to have more friends, but each of them with less depth. This is a generalization that you might find aligns with you. It’s gonna be hard finding people that are compatible with for the kind of friendships you really want. I think I only have one close friend. And how I met the guy was pretty random. I have other friends, but it’s not possible for them to go any deeper because we think nothing alike.

I was not offended Or trying to be offensive, if you notice the message that I wrote was not directed towards you, was direct directed towards the creator of this topic. Also, I’m just talking about ideas and this has nothing to do with anything personal

MOVE.

There is recently an Arnold Schwarzenegger documentary that came out on Netflix. I highly recommend watching it, he has very interesting philosophy that I think everyone should learn. Arnold Schwarzenegger philosophy was the key to his success. He's not at the highest stage of development but that's not important.

I don't fully agree with this. Action is Curative. Awareness is the spark, but action is the cure.

Can you go to a gym, immediately? Like literally walk out your door go to the nearest gym sign up for a subscription and do a workout. Within the next 15 minutes.

@NewKidOnTheBlock if the US absorbed Canada and Mexico the only thing it would accomplish is that the US will take the whole continent down with the ship.

https://x.com/PicturesFoIder/status/1871382885309075581 An example when the roles are reversed. Woman is screaming like a lunatic at her boyfriend in the middle of an airport. People around are laughing at the show. At the end she screams "Your a LOSER". And of course it's pure abuse but there's a small Point here that he can't get away from this woman's abuse. It's very unlikely this is not the first time this has happened he's probably enjured this abuse for years like many men do who are in this reversed position. These kind of relationships normally start off with the abuser love bombing the guy. To the point where he gets attached and after that point she plays the hot and cold game.

@Justin my mind that’s a judgement you have to make for yourself. If you have never taken a benzodiazepine to help you relax in public then I would say no.