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If you guys were serious about truth, you wouldn’t be playing these Ego games

Whatever Leo does are doesn’t do doesn’t matter, I’m talking about the best strategy to talk about truth.

I didn’t mean approval, I meant if you want him to see the truth in what you are saying you have to steal man his position. All I see is you guys disliking what he saying and then shouting your belief louder than he does. Belief vs belief. That’s not gonna go anywhere. You have to carefully steal man and pinpoint exactly where truth is incomplete like a surgeon

@Nilsi the epistemic vocabulary leo has introduced is extremely useful. I think you’re throwing the baby out of the bathwater. You need to provide a very strong steel man of Leos position in order to get him to acknowledge anything.

@Nilsi is the world burning down that someone else believes in God differently than you? I think we should take up our pitchforks.

What’s the difference between logic and coherence? They seem like the same thing. Do distinctions cause logic, or does logic cause distinctions? Or is it that distinction is logic? Logic is the structure of distinction? they are co-arising

Most mental illnesses are all in the body. They’re not all in your head. This is commonly mixed up all the time because there are issues like low self-esteem and terrible parenting that did contribute to a bad operating system Mental disorders is not the same as a bad childhood, but they are often conflated so you get really bad gaslighting of people telling you it’s all in your head and you need to work harder with willpower that might be true if your problem is a terrible childhood but it’s not true if you have coeliac disease and you don’t know it causing schizophrenia (and you will go 20 years never figuring it out, and your doctors have absolutely no idea, because they are reciting the industry)

she will gladly chop your head off 😂 all that animals have to do is shape themselves like a human females, and they will take over the world

Good luck curing a mental disorder in this epistemic swamp step one: build a boat out of crocodile carcasses

There’s an entire video that Leo made a while ago called something like “ how to let go”, and in a nutshell, he explains to let go without any reason whatsoever. You don’t need to reason about it, you don’t need to convince yourself to let go, you don’t need a story to justify letting go, you don’t need any ego games. You simply let go and that’s it. There’s another technique that is simply “ feel good”, you don’t need a reason to feel good, you don’t need to convince yourself to feel good or to tell yourself some story to justify feeling good, there are no ego games required or thinking needed. You simply feel good right now. To help with this technique do this: “ smile internally”. By doing so you should automatically feel good. You should feel a sensation around your solar plexus (centre chest) This is 100% no bullshit emotional intelligence. This is you taking 100% responsibility for an emotion. Notice when you smile internally you have a good feeling in your solar plexus. You did it! Now remember to do this all the time, and you can meditate on this inner feeling of smile and potentially reach states of deep Bliss. Congratulations! You can now feel good whenever you want! 🥳🎉

You’re essentially sub-vocalizing an emotion when you do an inner smile. It is a language of emotion. When you combine this with language of sound or symbols, you get a much richer inner intelligence. You could also combine this with a language of imagery that you use internally. Sub vocalize Sub emotionalize Sub visualize Sub experialize all parts of your control

These r Rockies numbers, hes expected to 10x.

Breaking down epistemic axes Scientific Consensus In Practice: “According to the latest guidelines, we do X.” Missed Adaptation: Rarely questions whether the big‑picture studies fit this patient’s unique situation. Expert Testimony In Practice: “Our specialist team recommends this treatment.” Missed Adaptation: Never pauses to test or modify that advice based on how you actually respond. Authority Trust In Practice: “Trust me, I’m a doctor.” Missed Adaptation: Doesn’t step back and ask, “Is my own training misleading me here?” Technological Instruments In Practice: Orders labs, imaging, monitors numbers. Missed Adaptation: Doesn’t re‑validate equipment readings against how you feel or perform. Guidelines/Flowcharts In Practice: Follows checklists (“if A then B then C”). Missed Adaptation: Doesn’t deviate from the script even when it’s not working—no real trial‑and‑error. Empirical Observation (Own) In Practice: A quick physical exam, vital signs. Missed Adaptation: Rarely conducts systematic observations (sleep logs, symptom diaries) to refine treatment. Clinical Experience Integration In Practice: “In my 10 years, I’ve seen this before.” Missed Adaptation: Doesn’t actively mine those past cases for new, patient‑specific patterns. Trial and Error (Personalized) In Practice: Tries one or two standard meds in sequence. Missed Adaptation: Stops after the “approved” options fail—no creative experimentation or custom tweaks. Intuition In Practice: Usually suppressed: “We stick to data.” Missed Adaptation: Never asks, “What’s my gut telling me about this unusual presentation?” Patient Narrative Integration In Practice: You give your history; it goes into the chart. Missed Adaptation: Rarely shapes the treatment plan beyond filling checkboxes—your story isn’t a true guide. Tacit Knowledge Use In Practice: A fleeting “sense” when something’s off in your exam. Missed Adaptation: That feeling stays unexamined—it doesn’t feed back into refining their approach. Logical Reasoning (Independent) In Practice: Basic symptom→diagnosis logic, but within set protocols. Missed Adaptation: Doesn’t construct new chains of inference when protocols fail—stops thinking. Emotional Intelligence In Practice: Polite bedside manner, empathy scripts. Missed Adaptation: Rarely uses your emotional reactions as data to pivot treatment. Meta‑Epistemic Awareness In Practice: Almost zero—doctors don’t think about how they know. Missed Adaptation: No pause to question their own biases, conflicts of interest, or blind spots. Epistemic Humility In Practice: “I know what’s best”—they seldom say “I don’t know.” Missed Adaptation: Admitting uncertainty could open space for new approaches, but it almost never happens. Cultural Assumptions Awareness In Practice: Assumes “clean” lifestyles, “standard” bodies, mainstream beliefs. Missed Adaptation: Doesn’t check whether those cultural norms are harming your individual health. Reflection on Conflict of Interest In Practice: Medications and devices are prescribed without mention of industry ties. Missed Adaptation: Never considers how pharmaceutical funding or study bias might be steering choices. Acknowledgment of Uncertainty In Practice: Projects confidence even when evidence is weak. Missed Adaptation: Fails to explore alternative diagnoses or treatments in the face of doubt. Bottom line: On any given day, a doctor leans heavily on authorities, guidelines, and published evidence, but seldom reflects, experiments, or adapts their own methods. True trial‑and‑error, meta‑reflection, and personalized observation—key engines of real learning—remain almost entirely off the table. -AI assisted

@Nilsi oh God it's already become a gender meme... 🧨 40 Shadow Epistemologies by Type Unconscious motivations behind how different archetypes distort their sense of truth The Skeptic – Belief is a threat; doubt is used to avoid emotional vulnerability. The Academic – Over-identifies with credentials; avoids paradigm shifts that risk reputation. The Rationalist – Suppresses intuition; filters reality through logic as if it’s the only valid lens. The Empath – Believes what feels good or “resonates”; resists confrontation or critique. The Healer – Rejects data that contradicts spiritual identity or natural methods. The Scientist – Mistakes the scientific method for reality itself; sees anything unmeasurable as invalid. The Conspiracy Theorist – Trauma-rooted distrust; finds patterns to gain control over uncertainty. The Guru – Builds epistemology on adoration and insulation; avoids questioning from followers. The Skeptical Debunker – Emotionally gratified by tearing others down; addicted to “being right.” The Internet Bro – Clings to contrarianism to feel edgy, smart, or “red-pilled.” The Techno-Optimist – Equates progress with truth; belief is shaped by innovation dogma. The Postmodernist – Avoids any commitment to truth; uses relativity to evade responsibility. The Fundamentalist – Anchors truth in scripture; resists inquiry that could unravel worldview. The Capitalist – Truth is what sells; suppresses inconvenient knowledge for economic advantage. The Influencer – Beliefs shaped by audience validation; confuses “resonance” with accuracy. The Politician – Truth is performative; knowledge is weaponized for persuasion or control. The New Age Hippie – Embraces beliefs for aesthetic and emotional resonance; filters out anything "dense" or “low vibe.” The Nihilist – Avoids responsibility by claiming nothing matters or can be known. The Philosopher – Uses endless abstraction to avoid grounding or personal application. The Activist – Belief is emotionally tied to moral outrage; may resist nuance. The Stoic – Suppresses emotion so strongly that emotional data is dismissed. The Trauma Survivor – Beliefs shaped by self-protection; may reject perspectives that feel unsafe, even if true. The Doomer – Sees belief in possibility as delusion; clings to pessimism as identity. The Utopian Idealist – Projects perfection onto systems or ideologies to avoid disillusionment. The Life Coach – Turns knowledge into marketable certainty; may avoid complexity that doesn’t sell. The Rebel – Believes against the mainstream simply to maintain identity as outsider. The Libertarian – Filters all truth through personal freedom; may resist collective truths. The Christian Apologist – Filters all data through scripture; belief system cannot be falsified. The Psychedelic Explorer – Overweights peak experience as ultimate truth; resists grounding in reason or shared reality. The Business Strategist – Prioritizes utility over truth; epistemology shaped by ROI. The AI Ethicist – Paralyzed by future hypotheticals; uses complexity to mask indecision. The Stoic Entrepreneur – Resists emotional data as “irrational”; overweights efficiency. The Law of Attraction Believer – Belief based on emotional confirmation and selective attention. The Occultist – Uses obscurity or esoteric language to avoid falsifiability. The Simulation Theorist – Believes reality is unreal to avoid facing human vulnerability and uncertainty. The Spiritual Narcissist – Believes their intuition is truth; avoids challenge by framing critics as “unawakened.” The Traditionalist – Epistemology rooted in nostalgia; truth = what worked before. The Productivity Hacker – Sees truth as what's efficient; ignores depth, ethics, or long-term implications. The Astrology Believer – Projects internal patterns onto celestial symbols; uses archetypes to explain everything, avoiding accountability or complexity. The Enlightenment Chaser – Seeks nondual states as escape; bypasses emotional, relational, and intellectual shadow work. Let me know if you’d like an extended version with "how to grow beyond" each shadow, or a breakdown by epistemic type.

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@Nilsi 😆 I meant, the Forum never talks about the epistemic assumptions everyone is making. It should be as easy to spot in the same way we spot spiral Dynamics. So I think we should develop a colorful model for epistemology. It's easy to know when someone is full of shit but the Nuance behind their bullshit is not 100% obvious, it still takes a "little" cognitive work to break down the game the person is playing. I would love me a epistemic Dynamics model. GIVE ME NOW

Game: identify the epistemic Traps. For each submission.

😈 Shadow Epistemologies by Type Archetype - Shadow Epistemic Bias The Skeptic Over-attachment to doubt, cynicism as armor against vulnerability The Academic Prestige-driven intellectualism, resistant to paradigm shifts The Conspiracy Theorist Need for control, pattern recognition addiction, trauma-based distrust The Spiritual Hippie Emotional reasoning, confirmation by “vibes,” fear of cognitive dissonance The Scammer Instrumental truth — “whatever works to get the result” (truth as utility) The Capitalist Exec Beliefs shaped by profit logic, suppressing ethical complexity The Guru Echo-chamber insulation, intoxicated by follower validation The Victim/Survivor Defensive beliefs structured by trauma protection mechanisms The Healer Avoidance of data that contradicts spiritual identity or naturalistic assumptions

Teal Swan a while ago was deceived for three years by a film crew who twisted and edited all the content they shot to make her look like a cult leader with dark intentions. The entire time they lied directly to her face for three years and she had no idea. In the video above they sent her loving birthday wishes, showcasing to the full extent how much they groomed her and lied to her. They sent her birthday videos going to great lengths praising her and sending her love. Teal Swan has spoken in depth on her clairvoyant powers and mystical abilities yet she was fooled for three years by psychopaths. I understand clairvoyance doesn’t make you perfect or that it might not apply in this situation, she’s running a larger organization, there’s a lot of moving parts so her attention is stretched. Maybe if she had more free time her clairvoyant abilities would’ve been more effective here. In end they made her feel a specific way and she fell for it. Because these powers are about how your feelings are entangled with reality, that’s the core of these powers.

Up to the point that you created this thread, no one knew that epistemic self-awareness existed Few people have asked the question “What is my epistemology?”

That is a very speculative thing to say lmao, weed will not be a useful tool for most psychological problems unless your genetics are good for it, but even then there’s so many things wrong with it, cause it stays in your system for months, creating a long lasting stress on the system. And it can be easily used as a crutch instead of actual growth. I feel like you’re not speaking from experience when you make this comment, if a person has psychosis there “will” is not gonna help them. People are not in control of anything, intelligence and sanity is given to you and you are having a free ride, this is not earned.

@Breakingthewall it’s the culture around these substances that’s corrupt, if the culture was used the substances in specific situations for self development or as a social lubricant then we wouldn’t have this problem of misconceptions and abuse, would be clearly informed Coffee is the same thing. It’s very powerful drug that’s a performance enhancer. And people just drink it like it’s a beverage unconsciously. Instead, it should be used as a performance enhancer and specific situations, like if you need to perform well on a date or a job interview, you could potentially double your state of consciousness for a short period of time. But if you’re taking coffee every day blindly, you’re just damaging your body.

It would make sense to experiment with it after a certain point in life just not young. It can help with depression or exploring discovering yourself for self-development purposes. I agree on that part. It’s true everyone is different, maybe we can agree that the problem is there’s no education in our culture on the substance. Some people don’t have the genetics for it and it will negatively impact their life and some people can handle it without any problems, even benefit them If we could genetically test and determine for certain in advance, that might be useful. The current culture is that marijuana literally just makes you relax and it can’t kill you and there’s basically nothing wrong with it and this has nothing to do with the reality of that there is a wide variation of positive and negative effects and you’re gambling. For some people, they smoke it once, and they have psychosis for the rest of there life. None of this is communicated in our culture

You’re describing a very rare experience. Most teenagers have no growth on marijuana when they smoke it at 14 years old. It derailed their life and they lose focus. At 14 I was solving the hardest chess puzzles I could find, by 15 I was in the gym by 17 I had the body of an athlete, by 18 I was writing software programs, by 19 I was a Chess master, in college I got 100% on every high science and calculus programs, by 20 I had a job as a software developer and I didn’t have a degree yet. Focus. I would wake up and visualize everything I wanted to achieve for the whole year, and then I’ll go to bed and visualize everything. I wanted to achieve for next 10 years. Focus People who smoke marijuana especially at 14 nearly never dial in Young and pursue life hard. Their mind is now in a fog, they lose direction they lose a vision of a future .They get completely derailed. Lost in self-esteem problems, anxiety problems and dependency on substances Of course it’s gonna vary widely between people. But we cannot push marijuana onto an entire population because 0.1% of people are going to have benefits smoking at 14. I Know no-one IRL who smoked marijuana young recreationally, who had a coherent focussed youth.

Well, this isn’t self torture here lmao, it’s supposed to be enjoyable. Also, it should satisfy curiosity and a love for learning. If you’re viewing this as a torturous exercise in futility, then of course I would stop right away lmao A understanding of what is true right now can always grow and expanse. There’s infinite layers, but unlocking the new layer is fun and enjoyable, so I see no reason to stop