Emotionalmosquito

For about four years or so I considered myself volcel because I focused very strictly on spirituality. I had successfully broken my desire for intimacy, at least more so than most people ever will. I was doing so much yoga/breath work/meditation I felt completely and deeply satisfied with celibacy. So I do believe it’s possible to break the craving, just not probable for most. I was regularly doing extended nofap streaks while channeling the libidinal energy into prolonged states of emotional orgasm akin to what I imagine a light dose of mdma would feel like. But now that I’m getting older I figure it’s now or never to find out what this sex and intimacy business is all about. Upon discovering how preposterously difficult it is to obtain, I’m now incel.

It wouldn’t be so bad if the worst that could happen is girls telling you to piss off when you say something wrong. Because at least then you could still keep practicing in the same venue. Unfortunately, often times they will pretend to be open and engaged with you only to later complain to management and do everything in their power to get you kicked out. Speaking from experience. If I tried some of the stuff Leo gets away with, no doubt I’d find myself handcuffed in the back of a squad car. What lesson do you think that teaches? Even when the girl seems to be enjoying your company (as though you’re well calibrated) you still end up getting back stabbed. All this considered, I don’t see any way to tell which girls will respond GENUINELY well to which lines and which will freak out until your set is already either successful or too late to recover.

At least they’re doing free summit events, presumably

Yes. Make sure you have optimal zinc levels as well. As it is the main nutrient lost through cooming.

When they first released that they said it would only be available for a week or two. Now here we are several months later.

The issue isn’t simply using sarcastic humor. It’s the weight of the subject matter being made light of. I have been literally kicked out of places for much less than the edgy things Leo and others claim to be acceptable, even though I was coming from an authentic place when I said them. Maybe it works for some people but I’ve had too many bad experiences in this regard. No matter how much you pick someone’s brain you still can’t be sure they won’t flip shit over small things. Fair enough. As long as you intend to eventually grow out of that crutch and are able to measure your progress while using it, seems like an alright strategy. You should try to start forcing yourself to do your first few approaches sober and then start drinking. That should give you some good sober practice and you can take comfort in knowing the burn of rejection will soon be alleviated. Best of both worlds. Also, you ever try phenibut? I have found it to be the single best substance for socializing of them all. In case you’re unfamiliar, you get all the perks of booze and then some without any of the inebriation. The catch is it’s more habit forming and tolerance builds very quickly so you really have to make sure you don’t over use. If you have the addiction gene forget about it. And you can’t drink on it. I am certainly not the best at explaining but think of it like a mental slight of hand. You flip the script on the idea of it being this horribly painful thing and make a game of it. One example is you can go up to one girl or a group and say “I bet you a free beer I can get rejected by that girl over there in ten seconds flat without her even knowing I’m trying to. And I bet you a free shot I can get rejected by you in under a minute.” Then approach said girl and shine like the sun. Just to spark some ideas. It’s a concept that certain rsd guys have taught. You can look up funny things to say to girls in clubs and use your imagination. If you need to you can go out to your car or somewhere private and physically force yourself to laugh like a maniac until it becomes a real laugh to help build state. It’s a shame you can’t just bust out laughing right there in the venue but most people are such stuck up pricks they wouldn’t take kindly at all. In fact for this reason alone, all this theory might prove to be totally useless. They say be yourself but look what happens when we try.

@Raze 20:56 in that video is a direct contradiction to what Leo said. Julien said you have to be so congruent with your thoughts feelings and words that you say whatever comes to mind in the moment, that way she feels that everything you’re saying is coming from a place of authenticity and honesty so if you were some blood thirsty psycho you would have already said it. This is completely at odds with Leo saying he likes to jokingly tell girls not to worry because he’s only murdered three people and they all deserved it. If you’re being completely open about everything on your mind, as you are supposed to do in pickup, how the hell is she supposed to know you aren’t serious? Even if you think you’re saying it in a sarcastic tone of voice? See what I’m saying?

If anything I might just get Charisma on Command’s Charisma University course because learning overall social skills will probably be the most helpful with getting some.

@FlyingLotus Is it weird that I’m the type of guy who woulda pocketed the handkerchief so I could enjoy whatever trace amount of feminine pheromone that might be on it? Are you me? Like Leo says, try to get used to sober game. As brutal as it is, ya gotta fight through the pain and persevere if you want to make any significant progress.

@Danioover9000 8 more hours to go. Although I have practically passed the challenge, I don’t feel as accomplished as I should; and I blame it on the fact that I cheated by gooning half the time. I would like to be able to put in a full year without a single wank as a New Years resolution but unless I make some serious improvements in December there isn’t even a chance. But before that, one things for sure, I’m having a helluva party once the clock strikes midnight tonight.

It happened a lot more in the past. Now days it only happens when someone who doesn’t know what they’re getting themselves into advances too much too quickly. Here’s a download free pdf that does an excellent job outlining the fine distinctions between psychosis and intense spirituality. Lengthy but it’s worth a read. https://www.researchgate.net/publication/6246808_Psychosis_and_Spirituality_Consolidating_the_New_Paradigm_Second_Edition Also here’s Connor making a good point on the matter.

As far as online communities go, I would say yeah

This is called erythrophobia and I know firsthand how horrendously god awful it is to be cursed with. I used to have it pretty bad in high school. Can’t even remember how exactly I cured it but only now that it’s gone do I find out that girls find it super cute when guys blush. Of course.

But then instead of boyfriend and girlfriend we would have to start saying manfriend and womanfriend

@hyruga The opinions seem to be about 50/50 so far. I’m gonna pass this time around, especially since Because while my city isn’t exactly small, it’s certainly not big either. Barley enough to get my feet in the water.

Fixed it for you.

Gosh, what a fabulous idea! Why didn’t I think of that? Sex is the highest form of acceptance and the primary driving force of all physical life. You can’t mature or grow properly without it. There will always be that unfulfilled craving festering in the depths of your psyche. And everyone will call you creepy for it as though it’s your fault. So it’s a pretty massive issue to not get laid to say the least.

@something_else @Bando Good point. Do they not also tell you what you’re doing wrong and right in real time so you can adjust accordingly? If not, I agree, that would be a rip off. Is that essentially all it’s good for though? I already know how off the hook wild it can get by the stories I’ve heard and the old footage that used to be on his yt channel. Is there some kind of special information only found in HotSeat that will help me out better than anything else?

I just came really close to failing last night. I held myself on the edge too long and felt it coming with the force of a fire hydrant. Luckily my pc muscle was strong enough to reverse the process by shutting off the valve. Did you coom by accident or did you commit to giving in beforehand knowing you would? Because accidents can often be avoided. Go to your local vitamin shop and get yourself some good zinc and tonkat ali to replenish your gas tanks faster to get you back where you were. Also do what @Carl-Richard said.

@something_else the thing is these programs are so crazy expensive Leo’s LP course and his book list together still cost less than the cheapest thing on Owen’s sight at half price.? So I don’t think they would be losing that much money from this especially since they’re only doing it this weekend, supposedly. And rsd is know to be the best pickup company.

Why do people keep saying you have to be well groomed? Owen has a beard and a balding hairstyle that looks like shit yet he still pulls tons of chicks.

TLDR at the bottom I got invited over to watch some films from her vhs collection and play vidya via a phone call she made to reschedule a bonfire. This wouldn’t be the first time I’ve been over there but it would be my first time over to chill at this level, at least in a long time. We’ve also been planning a day where we get coffee then go to the park so I can teach her a one on one self defense lesson (I have no combat training, just doing it for fun) then wrap things up with movies at her place. But this last invitation I received placed all the emphasis solely on the last part. Almost as if we hadn’t been planning the other things. Some details: She was my brother’s friend’s girlfriend many years back and I used to buy weed from her and we started smoking together which was detrimental to me because she was able to smoke heavily while I struggled to form coherent sentences after a couple hits. Weed always exacerbates my autism twenty fold so I’m effectively crippled socially when I indulge. We’ve talked about sex before and she wasn’t totally turned off by the idea but she kept saying it’s not something you can logically plan. (If that’s true then how do married couples schedule it into their busy lives?) I once texted her and said “I only need one thing from you and it starts with an S and ends with an X. After she responded, I said “Subscribe to Felix.” You know, from the subscribe to pewdiepie meme era. After that punch line I don’t remember exactly but she said something like, “I thought you were about to be brave.” Then I said back “I was just kidding I know you would deny me because we’re just friends.” She responded, “I’m not sure I would deny you, I’ve always really liked you.” So that happened. We have bonded over activities such as nature walks, bonfires, movie nights, that sorta stuff. And we have tripped together. Another cool thing is she knows the people who run the bar I was unjustly banned from (look through my post history if you care enough to know more on that) so she said she would try and pull some strings for me. If this date ends up happening, I need to know how to not sperg out and screw everything up. Do’s and don’ts from wise and experienced players are greatly appreciated. In short, I’ve been invited over for a chill night with a long time gal pal and I really need to make sure I don’t spill my spaghetti when it happens. I need to know how to escalate and what to do if my advances are not well received. Thx

With a strong pc muscle, I’m sure that won’t be an issue. Love it. But before any of that is possible I first need to confirm it’s on. btw, congratulations on being post number 77,777 on this sub forum. Nice get. Meme magic is on my side. @museumoftrees That sounds easy enough in theory but in practice not so much. My main worry is not knowing how to recover if my advances aren’t taken well And in order to just do it, you first need to figure out when you’ll both be home, if the the kids are gone or in bed, if your moods are synchronized etc. And that’s the way I tried to book a session with her. It failed because she said it has to happen spontaneously, among other reasons. The foundations have to be laid out before anything can happen successfully. Much in the same way you need set and setting to be in place before a trip.

So it would seem. However it’s very likely if I try anything she’ll be like “We don’t vibe that way” or gently push me away. If that happens there will be a very awkward elephant in the room for the rest of the time because anything else we talk about will be an obvious attempt at distracting ourselves from what just happened. And I may not be invited back. Actually she has never outright told me she would. She’s only open to the possibility of it. This is the kind of girl who would tell me no as a shit test. Very hard to read, as most girls are.