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Well who said anything about landing? The needy self illusion never gets satisfied. If it ever feels satisfied/grounded, its only temporary. Give it some time.......it will always find something else to need. Thats its entire operating system ♻️ satisfied unsatisfied satisfied unsatisfied satisfied unsatisfied It's a survival strategy of something that's not actually real 😳

Wisdom is recognizing the impossibility of grasping infinity. Freedom is the end of that energetic and insatiable desire to grasp it. ❤️

I don't know what you mean when you use the word "truth" or say "living the truth" One could say everything is truth, but then there can appear to be personal misunderstandings within this everything. But if everything is already truth, that would also include any and all personal misunderstandings. The word non-duality is attempting to point out this all inclusiveness; not two or without a second. Everything is already itself........it doesn't require a proper understanding!

It's really interesting because everyone seems to have their own unique experience of reality and different way of describing it, due to their different societal conditioning/points of view. This appearance doesn't require a story to go with it, but there are endless stories nonetheless 😉

Those 2 videos are hilarious. When I first started listening to Jim, I actually thought he had lost his marbles completely.

This topic/conversation reminded me of this interview 🤔

Yup, it never did......only seemed to. I'm not trying to question your understandings or anything brother.

Type 10 different characteristics you would use to describe yourself.

Exactly, no you to see it coming. Just apparent thoughts being identified with as "my thoughts" It's radical 🤙

This kind of self introspection can lead to some surprising realizations. What is the self? Where is it located? What does it consist of? Is it real? ❤️

It was intriguing reading these descriptions. It felt very personal and sweet. While I was contemplating and writing my own, it felt like I can sometimes be the exact opposite also. It feels like the personality is actually all descriptions and simultaneously none of them. This was one of my favorite videos of leo's back awhile ago now. It seemed very fitting for this thread.

Spontaneous Caring Logical Over analyzer Honest Helpful Crazy Thoughtful Blunt Anxious

If you were born and raised as a mormon in Salt Lake City, Utah, you would know how to ski or snowboard Your characteristics could have been a lot different.

Before or after morning coffee?

🤣 That was actually pretty funny! Thank you saliva

All these different characteristics are like opinions. Another person may agree, disagree, partially agree, partially disagree. These characteristics can also fluctuate to the point of not even being accurate any longer One person describes you as carefree, while another may say you worry to much. We might describe ourselves as compassionate while another may believe we are selfish and often disrespectful. Point is........these characteristics don't equal a real character. They end up canceling each other out because every person has a different way of describing another. No one is right or wrong, but when you get down to brass tacks, there isn't actually a fixed personality at all. The personality is like a chameleon, blending in with its surroundings.

Do you think close family and friends would agree with these characteristics about yourself?

Everything is an unknowable energy; planets, stars, meteorites, all living organisms, bacteria, cells, atoms, etc etc......... Within this unknowable energy aka: Everything, there can seem to become a sensation of individuality or self awareness. This sensation feels vulnerable and separate from the rest of the energy. It feels local, centralized, real and threatened. It feels the need to survive because that's all it knows, it doesn't know decentralization. Decentralization sounds foreign and scary. It starts learning/knowing things. Everything becomes survival strategy. Everything becomes relevant to its survival. It becomes it's own center of attention. (I'm) here and everything else is out there. (I) need to survive. Sometimes in certain physical forms, this centralized (I) energy can become disturbed. It can become decentralized for periods of time. During this disturbance, it can realize that it's not just localized to the physical form. It can realize that the entire experience of only being centrally located, was a misunderstanding. This unknowable energy seems to create a different path. It no longer gets centralized or localized the way it did before, because it has now experienced decentralization and it enjoys that feeling of wholeness. But simultaneously something else very interesting can seem to be recognized. It can seem to realize that its entire conscious experience of existing, either as centralized or decentralized, was completely illusory from the start. It becomes completely obvious that this experiencer of all phenomenon, past & present, was never actually there. It was all an illusion from the start. A very convincing illusion, but an illusion nonetheless. Enlightenment, awakening, samadhi, emptiness, absolute, this, nothingness, infinity.......... It's already the case It's already this way Nothing ever happened It's THIS!!! ❤️

Tell me 10 different characteristics you would use to describe yourself. Not the physical body, just your personality characteristics.

Bro........pertaining to the self illusion only. The self illusion seems to manifest at a fairly young age and continue layering as it becomes more and more conditioned by its surroundings overtime. That entire self construct isn't there.......it just seems to be. but it never actually developed.......it just seemed like it did. That's what I meant by "you're looking too deep" I'm not saying nothing at all in apparent existence happened. Go outside and run directly at a tree without stopping.......it will quickly become obvious that the tree and the body hitting the tree are real physical objects in existence......or at least as real as real can get for 2 temporary physical forms. ❤️

You're also looking to deep. Physical body learns it's name and age. Later it learns 24 hrs in a day; 365 days per 1 year etc etc....... Self-illusion is the mental identification of being this body. The doer and thinker. When a thought arises in the body the self illusion claims "I'm thinking this thought". When the body jerks its hand away from boiling hot water the self illusion claims "I did that jerk action" Self Illusion is the judgmental needy sufferer that's never satisfied.....more more more......i need more spiritual knowledge, i need more peace, I need need need

Nothing or anything. Do or not do.

The start of the needy self construct around age 3 or 4. That was illusion from start. It never happened! ❤️

You're looking to deeply. It's more subtle and on the surface than how you are looking at it. There is a physical body doing/living what you described above. The self illusion is that which claims "I'm doing that"; "I'm deciding to think that thought" It's the mental construct which suffers and has anguish......& which judges itself and others according to its cultural conditioning. Notice the body will turn its head if it's name is called, prefer tea over coffee, and jump out the way of a car.......all prior to thought. Physical body lives just fine prior to the overthinking culturally conditioned needy self illusion/mental construct claiming ownership & throwing its judgments in on top of what the body is already doing.

What does the word "truth" mean for you? If it's someone else's truth, how would you actually determine whether it was true or false?