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"War and peace arise together in an endless dance; they are one continuum. One half cannot exist without the other. Just as light cannot exist without dark, and up cannot exist without down. The world seems to want light without darkness, fullness without emptiness, happiness without sadness. The more the mind gets involved, the more fragmented the world becomes."

'I' don't know... but it could be said that a limited mind cannot grasp Infinity. How can sense be made out of something that's senseless infinite purposeless pointless. How can everything be grasped. It can't be pinned down because it's infinite. So when you unknow it, you get to Dance with the Devil in the pale moonlight.

Yes exactly the problem does not lie within the thoughts, emotions, ideas or concepts themselves that arise. What causes the suffering is the identification as 'MY' mind, 'my' thoughts, 'my' emotions, 'my' ideas, 'my' concepts etc. Liberation or Enlightenment doesn't have to be about attempting to stay in the present moment... notice how that doesn't sound very free.(it sounds like a stipulation) you can never be outside of NOW so it's not really something that needs to be worked towards... it's already the case. Liberation is embracing everything that arises with the recognition that there's no individual with Free Will and Choice to decide which thoughts emotions ideas and beliefs actually arise. More notably is that when these thoughts and feelings arise, there's no one left to identify with them. There's no stickiness of the 'self' clinging on to them and taking ownership of them to create story after story. They are no longer given energy... the lack of identification takes the wind out of the sails sort of speak... and they slowly lose their energy over time. This is is often referred to as Samadhi Nirvana Enlightenment Liberation Moksha (the stilling of the world wind of mind) ❤

Those are just labels.... it's not half its immeasurable and unknowable ❤

Existence or reality doesn't try to be any particular way or the other. It just IS. It doesn't strive to match are delusions of grandeur of what love is or what it should look like. Unconditional love is looking at the world with childlike eyes and Wonder and appreciating that there's something rather than nothing. The birds the whales the trees the mountains the rivers and oceans the lakes the cities the trains the automobiles the aircrafts the flowers the bees tying your shoes cleaning up dogshit.... it's f****** incredible how can it be. We run into problems when we try to ask why and label and judge everything to our particular conditioned belief structure that thinks things should be a certain way. It's incredible it's incomprehensible it's unknowable. So unknow it!!

God is a fear of death-based creation to instill hope and security for the illusory individual. We believe we are so important that we should go on living eternally... and then we create a movie called All Dogs Go To Heaven so we can believe our little Poochie pals will be along side us when we walk through the Pearly Gates.... it's actually pretty egotistical when you think about it. But why not it doesn't matter anyway's....

Whichever one sounds like 'I' has the best chance of surviving. The illusory sense of 'self' cannot conceive of its own unreality. It simply cannot conceive reality without 'IT' being center stage in some way shape or form. It believes itself to be an Ivory Tower and does not want to see that it's merely a flimsy House of Cards ready to topple over at the feet of any deep inquiry. This is why distraction is the Ego's favored defense mechanism: Awakening is literally learning to die before you die, it's not merely adopting a belief about Awakening that sits well with the sense of 'self'... It's the dropping(emptying one's glass) of all illusory mind constructed concepts and beliefs that hide what's never been missing. It's not an adding or gaining of sorts, it's the crumbling away of untruth.... and it can feel like a destructive process. ❤ ❤ ❤

Every experience differs so there's no real saying what will or will not happen. For example I'm a construction equipment operator in the US Navy with 19 months before I retire. If this experience would have happened 10 years ago who knows what would have happened, I may or may not have gotten out. After Awakening there still a conditioned body here. Some bodies are good at teaching others at public speaking others building houses others truck driving so on so forth.. It's not about what you do, it's that there is no one... no individual actually doing it. Now that being said a lot can change because the egoic agenda to accomplish certain things might be looked at as silly now. One might be happy working at a low-stress coffee shop for example instead of being a CEO. So in short there's no real knowing until you're in the situation.

Gotcha good luck my friend take care ❤

@WaveInTheOcean it's unknowable... so try unknowing it..❤

I see what you mean, I use ego and separate sense of self interchangeably. When that story collapsed here there was nothing left to surrender... it was recognized Oneness was already the case all along.

Yes and just when it feels like things couldn't get any weirder they do...

You're welcome yes he was great!! There was a very big difference between how I felt two years ago and now. When this collapsing first happened I felt lost... there was nothing to hang on to and it felt like the existence of self was crumbling to the ground. So naturally there was a reaching out to see if anyone else had experienced this. Sometimes I felt like mind was going crazy. I watch samadhi Maya illusion of the self and it clicked. I ran into Jim Newman videos and then found Tony Parsons and Richardin Sylvester. I resonated almost instantly with their communication.

Agreed... I know it's crazy...❤ I hear you and this doesn't know either. There was just a deep turning within and inquiry into what made up the sense of 'self' that I so much believed in and felt like was running my life. As I peered closely at this sense of 'self' it went from feeling like an impenetrable brick house to a house of cards about to topple over. It was recognized the 'ME' character in the body was simply a misidentification with thoughts beliefs ideas perceptions labels energy Etc.... it was recognized to be just a fictitious story that was held onto for dear life. There was a complete letting go which simultaneously led to the recognition that it was never real in the first place. Needless to say life has been quite interesting since that experience over 2 years ago.

'I' don't care because there isn't a 'ME'... It's not like there are rules and stipulations on what happens after enlightenment. You don't become a meditating pacifist that now can't go out and share their experience with other's. The difference is the experience that everything is happening to 'ME' is what falls away... then it just becomes whatever is happening for no one. It can't be understood until it happens hence why it's called Awakening or to die before you die. Whether this apparent collapsing takes place or not makes no difference at all in any way... sometimes it occurs and sometimes not' sometimes with practices and sometimes without. It simply doesn't matter ❤

Yeah but the difference is I have dozens of resources that point to the same conclusion and videos to back them up as well from others that have had the same experience You float around blabbering your nonsense to uneducated deluded young kids that took too many hallucinogenics at a young age because you're too scared to go to any real master and get your tiny little thin Paradigm that you circle around in shattered. ?

It's all good we simply don't share the same experience of what Liberation or Enlightenment actually is...and that's just fine because its wholeness experiencing itself as different experiences. From this statement you said: ("Now I'm completely enlightened") it sounds like you simply can't grasp the understanding that Enlightenment is the collapsing or death of the illusory individual that thought there was something missing that needed to be sought after and found. both of these experiences are all happening within everything...its THIS and it's whole complete and perfect Paradise Freedom the Kingdom of Heaven for No One. Talk to you later brother take care ❤

It was recognized the finger the moon and the apparent space in-between was never something separate. And the only thing that created the feeling of separation was an illusory experience of the separate 'ME' inside the body. When that experience ended it was recognized everything was already IT... it was already whole complete unconditional freedom for No One.

Yes absolutely that's what's being experienced there. Take care of my friend and have a good rest of the weekend ❤

Awesome brother and that's what's being experienced there.... it's not what this communication is pointing to, but nevertheless it's whole complete and perfect because its WHAT IS...❤

When Awakening occurs there is no longer a self concerned whether it's distracted or not.... everything becomes just what it is free. There Is No Agenda that needs to be met. there's not a lot of other good non-duality forums out there... this is the best I've found... thanks to leo. I was going to mention that Jim Newman will be doing a free Zoom meeting in about an hour if you're interested... if you Google Jim Newman simply-this ...you will find all the details. Here's a great video from David bohm discussing a little bit about what we talked about. He used to work with j krishnamurti. Take care bro ❤

He is essentially talking about letting go or dropping all the concepts and beliefs we hold about things. See when we believe we already know what something is it can block the truth of what it truly is from being recognized. It's kind of like hitting a reset button on what we believe to be true, and recognizing how often our minds project, label, misinterpret and try to put everything in a box and check it off is understood, when actually in truth we really don't know. Our minds try to take a short cut in processing information by assuming it knows what things are by labeling or giving it a name so it can quickly move on to the next piece of data to process.

What is the difference between egoic love and unconditional love?

This is a great video of someone who's experienced the falling away of the separate sense of 'self'/ego/ "I"

The Experience feels real until it dies and then it's recognized it never was. ❤