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That's a pretty good way of putting it ? It points to the one that's aware or conscious isn't real. Awakening occurs when the sense of 'self' collapses or dies and simultaneously revealing it never existed making awakening or enlightenment a fictitious event.

It's too obvious.... it's too in-your-face to get... it's already the case. Enlightenment is when the one trying to get it collapses.

The body will die.... the separate individual within the body is an illusion... the 'self' is not real... and what is not real cannot die because it's not alive in the first place. It's completely crazy and not logical at all.

Yes he's talking about how the experience of being a separate individual creates an illusory self-centered agenda placed over the top of reality. There actually aren't any separate individuals that are conscious and aware which is usually the misunderstanding and mostly why I believe Jim doesn't prefer using those words.

That's a good explanation ? agreed..❤

I wasn't giving advice, I was making a statement. Any advice given to the separate sense of "self" such as stop seeking or seek harder only perpetuates its illusory existence, and keeps Maya or the Illusion intact. I agree it does seem that a curiosity/inquiry/desire/suffering plays a key role. It was obviously the suffering aspect for Eckhart Tolle for example. "And I say unto you, Ask, and it shall be given you; seek, and ye shall find; knock, and it shall be opened unto you. For every one that asketh receiveth; and he that seeketh findeth; and to him that knocketh it shall be opened." -- Luke 11:9-13 Jesus said, "Let him who seeks continue seeking until he finds. When he finds, he will become troubled. When he becomes troubled, he will be astonished, and he will rule over the All." -- Gospel of Thomas Here it was recognized the one seeking wasn't real. That seeking energy collapsed and it was simultaneously recognized the seeker never actually existed... it was simply a misidentification. ❤

That moment when seeking for enlightenment was dropped.....is enlightenment. Enlightenment is when the one seeking for it dies. So you see, life circumstance doesn't really matter.

The transcendence of Duality vs Non-duality is what non-duality points to. So non-duality is the case after all concepts and ideas about what this is have been dropped, and it's simultaneously all the concepts and ideas before their dropped. It's everything ❤

Yes that's right ?... it's the end of seeking for something other than THIS...

@Amaal Welcome ❤.. the very act of seeking for a better experience in the future makes what's here and now subtly feel unsatisfactory.... kind of like the grass is always greener on the other side except the other side isn't real. The sense of 'self' or Maya keeps itself alive by perpetually seeking for a better experience in the future. Enlightenment is the collapsing of this self-centered energy that needs things to be one way or the other... it's recognizing every experience was already complete freedom and unconditional love... it was just the mind that said otherwise...

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@traveler ❤ yep... "nothing to find and no one to find it".. have you seen this video yet? ?

Yeah I would say the I am infinite Consciousness/All-knowing Concept sounds pretty limited.

I love things being impersonal, you know what I'm sayin, I love things being impersonal, and if loving things being impersonal is wrong, I Don't Want to Be Right!!

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These feelings/emotions can arise but the difference is there no longer arising for someone. There's no longer a self-centered energy taking ownership. The need for things to go a certain way ends or the resistance to the current situation ends. The stickiness of the self is gone so nothing is held onto. Emotions and feelings become like clouds, they arise pass by, sometimes they linger for a bit but eventually dissipate. And it's a recognized they were never your clouds. Everything is an impersonal happening ❤

❤ ? It's kind of like eating a mango... You can be told all day long what the experience of eating a mango is like, but until you actually eat one, it's all just imagination. ?

@allislove ❤ ❤

@beastcookie the issue is the illusory experiencer is trying to rid itself of its illusory experience of separation and incompleteness. But see the belief that there is a separate experiencer that could do such a thing only perpetuates or keeps alive the illusory experiencer's experience of separation. This is why Ramana Maharshi was big on self-inquiry. It needs to be seen clearly that the separate sense the Self/Ego(seeker) is an illusion and there is nothing that needs to be found because everything is already whole and complete (nothing was missing in the first place) I’d like you to ask him to explore this SENSE of self very-very thoroughly. Not by thinking about it, but by FEELING it. Keep the focus of attention on the sense of self and inquire: Does the sense of self have a location? Does the sense of self have a shape or a size? Does the sense of self say or communicate anything? If the answer is yes, how does the sense do this exactly? Does the sense of self have any characteristics or attributes? What is the sense of self ‘made of’? An image? Sound? Taste? Smell? Sensation? Thought Arising? If not, where is any Direct or Actual Experience of some sense of self?

Then after I remember something called coffee

Here is me when I first wake up.

Absolutely the authenticity shines bright in this read... thanks for the link will check it out ❤

Just finished this book which was recommended by Guru Fat Bastard in High Consciousness resources. It's also on Audible. Wow wow I don't know what else to say other than wow. Here is a quote from the book: "Consciousness is all there is, flowing, streaming through these instruments in a manner which, in accordance with the perfect unfolding of totality, is perceived as discreet individual entities autonomously performing actions, but in truth this is not the case. There is no individual, no entity, no separate self here to do anything or to be anything, awakened or enlightened included." -- David Carse, Perfect Brilliant Stillness

Yes...❤ there's plenty of wisdom there to be had.