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? oh yeah it's completely radical... Jim calls it Anarchy sometimes. This communication takes the ideas of meaning, purpose and value and throws it out the window and makes Reality and Truth completely not applicable theories at best.

Its paradoxical ❤

I have yet to meet anyone that isn't all over this spiral in some way shape or form. Placing a center of gravity for oneself in this model is merely perspectival and simply doesn't hold up under close scrutiny. Spiral Dynamics is pointing to everything exactly the way it is.

It seems to elude the "seeker" by simply being everything.

I wonder if it would still feel like no distance if someone told you to now run after the car and catch it?

it's a coping mechanism of the mind to create some kind of order and logical sense from what it experiences. It places things in a box checks it off as understood and moves on to the next box to check off. In that sense it's basic and complex simultaneously.

I believe the picture is from Eckhart Tolle The Power of Now.. but not positive. I printed it off a couple years ago and keep it in my truck. The quote was from this video ❤

"The Greatest Obstacle to Discovery Is Not Ignorance—It Is the Illusion of Knowledge" - Daniel J. Boorstin The biggest issue is thinking "you" understand and know what is being looked for. The very idea of what you're looking for hides it.(hence the importance of emptying the glass) Enlightenment is not a gaining, attainment or achievement. It's not something you arrive at one day with enough diligent spiritual practice, it's the crumbling away of untruth and the disentangling from the socially conditioned Mind Matrix experienced as the "sense of self".

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"The greatest minds in human history have often pointed to levels of thought beyond the limited self structure. Einstein said “The true measure of a human being is determined primarily by the measure and sense in which he has attained liberation from the self.” So it’s not that thinking and the existence of the self is bad, thinking is a wonderful tool when the mind is in service to the heart. In Vedanta it is said that the mind makes a good servant but a poor master. The ego perpetually filters reality through language and labels, and is constantly judging. Preferring one thing over another. When the mind and senses are your master, they will create endless suffering, endless craving and aversion, locking us into the matrix of thinking" -- Samadhi (Maya illusion of the self)

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This is where you have to look for yourself and be your own judge. Do these culturally conditioned perspectives and narratives hold up under close scrutiny. After all if you were born in Kuwait for example, you would have a different name and a completely different set of perspectives and narratives, beliefs etc... When the sense of "self" is recognized to be no more than culturally conditioned thoughts identified with for the past 20 plus years it can get very wobbly and more fluid like than the solid entity once previously identified with. ❤

Eckhart Tolle has a lot of great stuff in this area.

Yeah I have an all glass dining room table it's pretty sweet... even the atoms and molecules are glass.

Thoughts are like the homeless cat that lives underneath your trailer. The more you feed it the more it keeps coming back. Don't get attached to that damn cat. ?

Yes everything is difficult to put into words especially when it ends up being nothing in the end....0. ? Its THIS!!

Notice how culturally conditioned thoughts about who you are sort of makeup the character there. If you were born and raised in Iran you'd be a completely different character. Notice how thoughts about who you are cancel each other out.... one person in China that's having a good day might think you're a nice polite fellow; another person in Alaska that's having a bad day may think you're an arrogant jerk; a teenage girl in India might find you very interesting and open-minded. There is no real truth about who or what you are... it's really all just socially conditioned perspective. The idea of who you are is not as solid as it seems to be!!

Drop the idea of what 'you' think is going to happen, just LOOK and notice what makes up this sense of 'self' experience.

The conditioned self centered experience of 'I am', places an overlay over top of reality and creates a very limited experience from this perspective often referred to as the dream story. It's a real and unreal experience simultaneously.(paradox) Real in the sense that it's what is apparently experienced. Unreal in the sense that when this self-centered energetic experience collapses, it's recognized as having never been! It's recognized by no one that the apparent individual(seeking energy) desperately searching for a better experience in the future is completely unreal. This recognition takes the concept of living and dying completely out of the equation because it's realized for the first time that the very entity holding these concepts to be real, was Maya (illusion of the self).

1: Master, master! I get it! 0: Get it? Get what? 1: What you said just moments ago. 0: What did I say? 1: You said that, at first, we suppose “choiceless awareness” means to refrain from choosing “this” or “that.” Eventually we come to understand it means to abstain from the idea that there is a “this” or “that”—that there even are two realities between which one could make a choice. 0: And are you saying that you got that point? 1: Before, based on what I’d heard, I assumed that it means the way we usually tend to make choices on the basis of the way we think things should be, or should not be. 0: Which would be a practical meaning, on one level. We could say, from the standpoint of advaita. 1: Yes, but I’m now looking at it from the standpoint of ajata; that there is no separate reality, from the start. 0: Yes, go on. 1: Where a relative world exists, there would be a “this” and “that” to choose between. But where the world is seen to be unreal, any of the things which we could choose between would be equally unreal. Even the “chooser” would be seen to be unreal. Isn’t this what you mean when you speak of “emptiness”? 0: That’s right. Recall the Heart Sutra? “In emptiness, there is no form—no feelings, thoughts, conceptions, consciousness; no body, mind—no beginning or ending.” And the Diamond Sutra—approved by Buddha—is saying, as ajata teaches, that all forms are completely and totally empty of “intrinsic existence.” Where even the body and the mind have no substantive reality, neither does the “world”—affirmed by them—sustain any reality either. In regard to choiceless awareness: where even “consciousness” is recognized to be merely another of our separative distinctions, even the idea of “awareness” itself evaporates—let alone there no longer being anything to “choose.” 1: So, as long as we take the world itself to be real, we haven’t really understood emptiness? 0: Where we even take “existence” to be real, we haven’t completely absorbed the teaching of emptiness. In the Diamond Sutra, Buddha is said to have stated that not only is there “no self,” but “no life.” Total and complete emptiness would not be a form: such would not have a beginning nor an end. Thus we could not even designate it as “existent” or “nonexistent.” 1: You’ve said that ajata means “no creation”; the implication is that not anything we take to be real ever had a beginning or an ending; that is, has ever “existed.” 0: This is why it is practically necessary to comprehend the teachings of advaita before contemplating ajata. When it is clear that there “are not two things,” it can be understood that “the one thing” is in actuality no thing: formless, empty. Nothingness. 1: I get that—comprehending that even the “I” is empty, as empty as any concept of nothingness! 0: Then you do get the full meaning of choiceless awareness. Who is there, that could get what? There are no real “choices,” nor a real “awareness” of them. 1: It seems to me that you could compare advaita to ajata, like atomic physics to quantum physics. 0: As long as you bear in mind that all comparisons are empty of reality. -- Ajata Project (Robert Wolfe)

Well it points to apparent existence or creation as ultimately having never been and thus making the idea of infusion non-applicable to the teaching of Ajata. Its saying that the whole of existence and all apparent happenings/experiences, simply never occurred!

And ajata is pointing to the deep recognition that even the so-called ultimate singularity is completely lacking in reality. Hence 0 not 1

@SamC keep doing exactly what you were doing. Be empty and aware. It's right under your nose and so close it seems hidden. Be confident in what is recognized ❤