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It's even worse than that. There was never a 'we' to actually know anything...?

@Dodo this was just a shared communication because the new Adviata topic has been brought up several times recently and in the past. ❤ I hear what you're saying ? A posted thread topic does not always constitute a held belief in which was shared. Thanks for the video share, I will check it out shortly ❤

The Divine Misconception On the subject of Traditional Advaita (Oneness) versus NeoAdvaita: "It has recently been argued that Traditional Oneness is somehow better than ‘NeoOneness’, or even ‘PseudoOneness’. The strangeness of this idea exposes the foolishness of trying to give title to that which is limitless. The cunning and manipulative guru mind inevitably objectifies verbal expression, and out of that objectifying arises a plethora of dogmatic movements all claiming supreme understanding of that which cannot be understood. As a consequence, so called Traditional Advaita, for instance, is just another established religion with a proliferation of teachings and literature, all of which very successfully and consistently miss the mark. It stands alongside Christianity and Buddhism as one of the many systems of personal indoctrination promising the eventual spiritual fulfilment. To quote from The Open Secret: “To translate the inexpressible into the doctrinal is to attempt to transform a song of freedom into a dogma of limitation. When the bird has flown, the essence of its song is often mislaid and all we are left with is an empty cage.” The teaching of “Traditional Advaita” has no relevance to liberation because it is born out of a fundamental misconception. Its logical and sensibly progressive recommendations include meditation, self-enquiry, self restraint, and to quote “the renunciation of the ego and all desire”. Of course, there is nothing right or wrong with the idea of desiring to renounce desire. However, these idealistic recommendations and teachings are based on the fundamental misconception that there is such a thing as a separate individual with free will and the choice to become. The belief that there is a separate seeker (subject) who can choose to attain or become worthy of something called enlightenment (object) is a direct denial of abiding oneness (Advaita). Within the hypnotic dream of separation, the prevailing perception is that of the seeker and the sought. The ignorance of this perception continues in the search for enlightenment, and inevitably the dreamseeker is attracted to a dream teaching which upholds and encourages the same premise of personal discipline and sacrifice (seeking) leading to the eventual goal of enlightenment (the sought). The recommendation to cultivate understanding and refine something called “the mind” (?) is hugely attractive to the dreamseeker because it prolongs the very worthy search and thrives on logic, detachment, complication, endeavour, hierarchy and exclusivity. Trying to understand oneness is as futile as trying to fall in love with an inch. There is no possibility of teaching oneness. However, the sharing can bring a rediscovery of that which is already known. If we are to believe recent descriptions of something called “Neo Advaita” as being “the forcing of the truth (?) on unprepared minds” or “advising people to stop seeking” or suggesting to people that they are “nothing but the mind itself”, these teachings, if they exist, are equally as dualistic as the “traditional Advaita” they were born out of. This confusion is of course as much an expression of oneness as the clarity which exposes it. All of this silly circus is simply the eternal play of oneness apparently seeking itself. It is the wonderful cosmic joke oneness plays on itself by pretending to be an individual seeking something called “not being an individual”. When it is suddenly and directly rediscovered by no-one that liberation brings with it the realisation that there is nothing to seek and noone to become liberated, then there is much laughter". ❤

I had decided to just use the quotation option in this thread due to what I believe are misunderstood or unfounded biases against Tony Parsons and his communication/work.(when you shoot the messenger you don't have to take seriously the implications of the message) Yes this was shared from his Open Secret website essays but did not necessarily conclude that he was the sole author (it may well be). I had been told previously that quotations were adequate... Is this no longer the case or did I get incorrect information?

"The opposite of love is fear, but what is all-encompassing can have no opposite" -- A Course in Miracles

Like that ?...

Yes, ? there is absolutely nothing right or wrong with doing any kind of spiritual practices. Sometimes they can become a hindrance to awakening and sometimes not... Sometimes immense suffering or a traumatic event can trigger it. Or deep self inquiry or introspection. Hence why it's been called the pathless path/gateless gate.... Hell I already thought I was using a thorn to remove a thorn ?

The "sense of 'I' " isn't real. So belief's are thoughts identified with as 'MY' thoughts/beliefs.

Nice...❤ Truth is a word that assumes there's something false. There's actually nothing that's false, there are just apparent misunderstandings. So if there's nothing actually false, there is no need for the word truth. They cancel each other out = 0 The cat's meow is what IS. So in that sense everyone's apparent different perspectives are not true nor false, there simply what IS. Whole complete and perfect with no separation. ❤

When there is an identification as the separate 'me' character in the body, there can seem to be beliefs held onto. That entire construct is an illusion...❤

@Dodo I was referring to the formless part of your statement in reference to using intellect. I was attempting to get you to physically look and see that the 'me' character isn't real. There's a major experiential difference between intellectually hearing the 'me' character is an illusion, and actually looking & seeing it's not there. There is no 'your' enlightenment because enlightenment is the dissolving of the separate 'me' character within the dream story. And in that sense, Enlightenment is a non happening because there never was a separate 'me' that even could be dissolved... that's why it's referred to as an illusion.... and that's why the statement "you are already enlightened" makes no sense from the separate 'me' character's perspective. From the 'me' character's perspective there's all kinds of spiritual work that needs to be done prior to liberation. When the 'me' character dies, its recognized for the first time, that the only thing that felt like something was missing was the illusion of 'me'. Then it's just being ❤

Mind matrix gone ramped ?

Well that is intellectual...(thinking) There is apparently a body with senses right!! (you can physically check and look) Can you physically locate the 'me'? Can you physically Look and find the 'me' and touch it? ❤

Also maybe Insurance can pay for a chiropractic visit or something. I know tension in the back, shoulders and neck can cause all kinds of issues in the body... pinched nerves weird things like that. Or maybe 30 minutes hot tub or sauna then massage and maybe a mild muscle relaxer could be prescribed. ❤

Who knows I'm that? Who is 'I' that knows? What makes up that 'I'?

There just never was a separate 'you' standing in the way or letting everything go.

This is great inquiry!! Who or what is actually identifying with these thoughts? Take a close look.

You're belief on whether this is true or not makes NO difference in any way at ALL... in fact you could go on 'your' entire apparent existence believing I'm a deluded butthole... and that still wouldn't make any difference in any way at ALL... Do you see that you are free and unreal!! You are not Consciousness ; you are not Awareness; you are not at all!! Again.....Your belief on whether this is true or not makes no difference in any way at all!! I'm not here to take away all the conditioned beliefs that Mommy and Daddy or Grammy and Grandpa instilled...that's for you to figure out. ❤

Well that's the crazy part, no one is speaking to no one. The beliefs are just emptiness appearing as fullness or something real.

There can still be creating money without the belief that it's important...

You don't have anything to think about other than meaning purpose and value has no real meaning.

Remember nothing has changed...THIS doesn't adjust. The way that THIS is perceived adjusts.

LOOK closely and see if 'you' can pin point the individual who wants to have mystical experiences.