VeganAwake

Yeah its completely radical. It really boils down to the identification aspect. The self is a very seemingly felt experience. The normal assumption is that "I am a real separate person". And yet somehow this identification seems to fall away and not because something stops but because it's recognized as having never been real in the first place....like an assumed identity or misidentification so to speak. And this apparent realization can happen whether the body is a sociopath, psychopath, or any average joe. It's often referred to as a non happening that's experienced by no one. ❤

.... another way to talk about this is that each apparent person born is brought up with different societal conditioning/life experience. (A person raised in Iran will have an apparent different experience than A person raised in Portland Oregon). So each person will have an apparent different experience depending on their societal upbringing.... but this so-called person (per son a) that seems to arise out of this so-called conditioning, is an illusion. Every different way the person judges reality is just a learned or conditioned concept which seems to create an entire different dream story experience. And even this is just a story ❤

It could be said that it's a real and unreal experience. Real in the sense that yes it really feels like there is an individual within the body moving, learning and progressing through time. Unreal in the sense that when this apparent individual is recognized to be an unreal entity, its simultaneously realized that it was never actually there in the first place, which is why illusion is the best word to describe it.... something that seems completely real but ultimately lacks in reality. There is a reason why it's called Awakening. ❤

Yes exactly, and whether or not the individual is recognized to be unreal doesn't matter in any way at all because it's actually already the case.

Everything is just Everything. Relativity & Infinity is the same, it just seems different from a dualistic subject-object perspective. The map IS also the territory.... and the finger pointing to the moon are all included within this everything. When it's recognized that the individual looking out of those eyes is just an illusion of the mind and not a real entity..... no separation or non-duality is recognized for the first time. There simply cannot be any real separation when the individual is clearly seen to be unreal. ❤

Nothing that I thinks will work because I is the problem. THERE ISN'T AN I I will endlessly run in circles trying to find something. ❤

Because it's not like a temporary state of mind or something like that. It's a jaw-dropping permanent holyshit this apparent individual I thought I was is an illusion. WTF ❤

That's the cosmic joke because it completely undermines the individual's experience of trying to find something it feels is missing. It doesn't lead anywhere. Its freedom from identification as the individual that believes there's something particular to find within everything. ❤

The empty freedom before the mind starts doing its dance. ❤

Yes there's nothing a 'you' can do about suffering because the Identification as a 'you' that suffers is the apparent issue.

Suggestions can occur....like seeking only perpetuates the belief that there's a separate individual that will one day find something that it believes is missing. See that was a suggestion.

There isn't a you deciding to seek or not. Just seeking energy believing there's something to find. None of it means anything.

Non-duality is the revelation that the individuals entire conditioned self structure or identity within the body (concepts, judgments, desires, belief's) is completely illusory. It's literally identification as a false entity, otherwise known as ME. This recognition illuminates the futility of an illusory individual attempting to find something called Enlightenment in the future. Duality/relativity/separation are all recognized to be meer concepts within the dream story experience of being a separate individual. Everything is already not 2, already wholeness, already complete.... There is nothing to find because there is nothing missing and no one to find it. Enlightenment is not an achievement or arriving in a certain state of mind. It's the recognition that the individual trying to acquire Enlightenment was never real in the first place. ❤

@Someone here No need to try and resist anxious feelings. Resisting, judging, naming and labeling these feelings gives them more energy.... makes them seem bigger than what they are. Be with whatever arises without creating a story about it. Not ignoring and yet not focusing simultaneously. Anxious feelings are not good or bad, they are just what's happening. The resistance to what's happening will always exaggerate the so-called negative experience. ❤

Ego is the knower. It's the one that thinks they have gained the correct and right amount of knowledge. This is sometimes referred to as "painting the prison wall". It's no different than a religious person that believes they have found the one right religion and then goes on attempting to convert other's on the so-called correct path. The individual that attempts to escape or bypass life is an illusion. So in that sense spiritual bypassing is non applicable because there simply isn't a right or wrong path to begin with. It's just another concept within the dream story of separation. Enlightenment is the dropping of all concepts to reveal the unimaginable freedom that was already the case. It's the disentangling from the socially conditioned matrix of mind known as 'ME'.

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No need to worry about the point of view. Dissect the so-called 'self' that seems to have a point of view. ❤

Yeah, there's nothing right or wrong with anything, only conditioned thinking makes it seem like there is.

Yes exactly, meaning purpose and value are meer culturally conditioned concepts of the mind. And oddly enough day-to-day activities can remain the same after this realization. Before Enlightenment chop wood carry water after Enlightenment chop wood carry water. What has changed? The resistance to what is.

@Endangered-EGO Who is trying to have this experience ? What makes up this sense of "I" ? What does it consist of ? Take a REAL close look. ❤

Good, now that you see there is nothing to find you are free. It was already the case only you were convinced it was somewhere else.

@Gianna all the ideas, philosophy, epistemology, and psychology occur within the same elephant.... that's what non-duality points to. It's quite amazing wouldn't you say. There's no getting outside of it to point to it because it's everything. ❤