VeganAwake

Gotcha, "the old gods playing a joke on itself" belief. Those are actually all just concepts that only seem to occur within the dream story of "I am". There is no one here thats coping and no one there describing it. There just seems to be, which is the illusion of self-identity being pointed out! ❤

Well sure brother, in that sense yes there IS a physical conditioned body here with apparent characteristics, a social security number and a birth certificate. But this "sense of self" within the body that claims "I am this or I am that" is an illusion of identity. This is of course why when the body ingest psychedelics and such, that sense of self construct or self boundary can become blurred or dissolve altogether during parts of the trip.... that happens because the self-construct is not actually real. It's like an enormous web of memories and conditioned beliefs which seem to make up this character called Travis or Leo. And this revelation doesn't have to always feel like some intense shocking mystical paradigm shift.... it can actually just become obvious and seem quite ordinary. It can also feel like "huh well that's interesting & strange" Although ordinary and simultaneously extraordinary seem to describe it well! ❤

Yeah it's a trip, the illusion of ego/self makes it seem like there's a bunch of important & meaningful things happening! "There is just whatever seems to be happening" - Jim Newman ❤

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The apparent problem is that surrendering just becomes another concept that the ego/self uses to try and get what it thinks it wants. (enlightenment) But enlightenment is the disillusionment of the very ego/self which is attempting to attain it. In other words enlightenment has nothing to do with surrendering and everything to do with realizing there was never anyone real to surrender in the first place....it was an illusion of self! It's the end of seeking due to clearly seeing that the seeker doesn't actually exist. It's similar to when it becomes obvious that santa claus isn't real.....there is no effort or difficulty involved in surrendering something that obviously never was! ❤

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Yeah lots of dramatic energy that means absolutely nothing.....how funny right? Reality is like one enormous play!

It comforts people to have someone to believe in/worship! ❤

There is a conditioned body that turns its head when it's name is called jumps out of the way of a moving truck and prefers coffee over tea but it's empty! The sense of self within that body is an illusion Maya Reality is a complete mystery completely unknowable completely ungraspable simply because the one attempting to grasp it isn't real from the start! That's Enlightenment, does it sound pretty?... It's freedom from illusory boundaries! ❤

Then why does the body still experience a physical reality when there is long periods of amnesia? These people don't even remember their names let alone their characteristics and such.... yet they still seem to experience an external reality! ❤

There isn't a you and then another thing called an ego. The ego is you, it's the entire self-construct or sense of self..... it's that which overlays reality with meaning, purpose and value and then operates from that perspective/dream story. But it's an illusion of identity and it's completely unreal. "Samadhi is the disentangling from the socially conditioned matrix of mind known as ME" - Samadhi (Maya: the illusion of self) ❤

Well what happens is the "sense of self" that believes it has to deconstruct everything to awaken dies........then there's just everything which includes sights, sounds, smells, tastes, touch, thoughts, mental images. Enlightenment is the end of becoming due to the revelation that the individual attempting to become awakened, was only an illusion of identity!! ❤

Yeah man it just becomes obvious that there isn't a 'self' inside the body. This often seems to be followed by an involuntary energetic relaxation of sorts and a slow fading away of this 'sense of self'. But yes, later it's recognized that nothing actually happened because there never was a real 'you' in which could fade away from the start. ❤

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Still it's the only and best show in town!! What to do about nothing? ❤

Totally, there isn't anyone there now making continuation an impossibility because nothing actually ever started! It's a ridiculous setup....? ❤

It's not that the conditioned body and the mirror are imaginary.......it's the sense of self within the body or as the controller of the body which is imaginary. The body is completely empty actually, there isn't anyone inside of it. The apparent individual which could get offended or hurt by someone calling it a jackass ........that's the illusion of self! There's no one really in there! ❤

❤ it's unconditional!!

Well it doesn't actually exist....thats exactly the misunderstanding. It seems real just like a mirage in the desert until it doesn't. ❤

Well it's random in the sense that there's no one or no thing actually controlling or changing the appearance of everything! There's only whatever seems to be happening! ❤

Gould call bro.. Did ya check out the vid?

He is so genuine!! ❤

Possibly narcissistic personality disorder

I get it bro. It's just obvious there isn't a real understanding of what enlightenment actually is. There are definitely no stages involved or me's left unsatisfied. In this particular situation, if the self was clearly seen through, there wouldn’t be anyone left to feel unfulfilled and wanting more. That would still just be the endlessly needy illusion of self continuing to seek more and more.(which is all it can do) In other words.....THAT which prefers a more tantric approach to spirituality, is the very illusion of self that is seen through in actual enlightenment. It's the end of seeking because the seeker is clearly seen to have never been. ❤

That would be like taking a course to start believing in Santa Claus again..... it's just seen to have never been. ❤