VeganAwake

If the first delusion isn't seen through, there will be endless delusions to work through. It will seem like a lot of progress is being made. Like unknowingly using a map of the wrong territory to guide you. The seeking may never end because it will always feel like something is missing and needs to be found. Look at what's looking for something.

😁 yup, beyond ridiculous I guess I shouldn't shit on my stomping ground though

He's hyper focused on the word "self" ......I think it was more than a wall that broke! 🤷‍♂️

It's absolutely meaningless and unconditional. There isn't a goal or purpose needing to be met. Nothing required and everything welcomed. Nothing needs to happen or not happen. And so in that sense, the so-called non-delusional life doesn't need to be recognized/lived. The awakened reality and the matrix are identical for 2 reasons. 1) The matrix is an internal illusory experience, leaving only awakened reality as real. 2) They are equally meaningless because when the body/mind organism dies, the memory of ever existing dissolves with it regardless of its prior way of life.

Definitely 👊 & Forgive them, for they know not what they do.

Gotcha, Yeah, it's a nonhappening. Which is why it's often compared to being "like a dream". The dream characters seem to live out their lives from birth to death, dealing with numerous emotions, trials and tribulations and overall good and bad experiences throughout their lifetime. There seems to be a someone experiencing everything, but its actually nobody experiencing anything It's just too radical. Very very rarely is the experiences validity even questioned. & It doesn't matter at all whether or not this entire ridiculous phenomenon is seen through, because the difference isn't real. It only seems to be 🤯

I'm not sure what you mean by awareness. Here the word awareness feels like it implies or insinuates that there is a someone or something that is aware and or experiencing apparent reality. What's being said here, is that experience of something/someone witnessing, being aware of or experiencing, is completely illusory! I'm not saying the physical human body is illusory. It seems to experience apparent reality with its 5 senses and conditioned mind/imagination. Similarly to a deer or bear or fox. What's being said is that human body is empty. There isn't a real "you or me" inside of it, and that which believes there is more going on than that, or believes itself to be infinite and aware, is the self illusion.

In this case the seeing through the self, is referring to the end of identification as the thinker and experiencer. It's recognizing that the entire framework of the thinking mind was constructed under the false premise of there being an owner or controller of it. A self referential conditioning!

😅 maybe I should have just listened and not watched. I will take your word for it though!

I will never forget the moment this finger here pressed play on this video. I never knew you had such hate for me! 🤣 I feel like I may have acquired a sexually transmitted disease from just clicking on the play button!

MMA is to Fighting what Nonduality is to Spirituality

Maybe it's the thrill of the chase/search and the mysteriousness of the key that intises!

When there was identification as a self, it seemed like there was a constant and desperate need to find the answers to everything. The 5 w's; who, what, when, where, why It needed to discover the truth about everything, and it was the perfect self for the task!

What if you had never heard or learned about ego. Would it still feel/seem like there was a different context of self?

No mind; no self; unknowing; nothingness; liberation; enlightenment, are all pointing to the same thing The end of experiencing/perceiving reality through the conditioned mind Understanding that something vastly infinite, cannot ever be fully grasped by something limited It could be named, labeled and described endlessly for infinite lifetimes In that sense it's unknowable

Then that's what's being experienced there! It's whole, complete and perfect. There is no issue here with that or what anyone else you mentioned believes or has said 🙏

Because I was trying to poke at the self-illusion over there.......👉, trying to get it fired up.....make it more obvious. The self and ego you are describing is the same illusion. The ego runs deeper and is more prevalent than you're giving it credit. It's that which is shaping the perception there.

The "self" is that Breakingthewall character that believes itself to be all of reality. That which places certain spiritual figures on a pedestal to idolize, and simultaneously disregards others that dont seem to match its parameters of belief. Its that character that feels threatened when it's belief system is put into question and then doubles down to secure its foundational delusions of grandiose. Circular logic is one of its most used survival strategies. It sounds secure enough in its beliefs, but it is actually deathly afraid of looking inwards and recognizing its own unreality. It's that which feels its got so much to loose because of how much spiritual knowledge it believes it has gained over the years. It believes itself to be fairly high up on the spiritual ladder and is deeply invested in identifying as that character that knows.

Sincere misunderstanding due to partial or incomplete awakening experience. If the survival strategy/identification game of the self illusion isn’t recognized clearly, I would describe it as incomplete.

I would guess it probably just started off as a story, but then after gaining some popular belief, it was realized it could be used to manipulate and control behavior.

What sometimes seems to happen during a mystical experience is the energy used to uphold the "self identification construct" temporarily collapses and seems to dissipate back into everything. When this occurs it creates an intense feeling of freedom, wholeness, all-inclusiveness or "being everything". But eventually this "energetic self identification" returns, but with the misunderstanding of being everything now instead of just the small limited body/mind. This phenomenon is often referred to as the spiritual ego, and it's almost impossible to be seen through. It really just ends of being an incomplete enlightenment experience.

Yup, and that process feels like a slow rebalancing of energy distribution. The self character isn't forgotten. It’s been at the forefront of the mind for a very long time and there are long-term habits/preferences still intact. Some of those things change rather quickly and some don't. The things that did change quickly seemed to be directly tied to that conditioned self character.......for example the self guilt about desperately needing to advance my rank in the military to keep up with the competition, that almost dropped immediately. Also my fitness goals changed really quickly. The entire concern about upholding my overall professional image dropped basically. As far as the acting out roles thing.....its similar to an actor/actress playing a fictional character. The actor knows the character isn't real, but when they are playing the role, it's almost as if the body's energy brings it to life. Something that wasn't expected was how clearly the understanding is of how this sense of self becomes so prevalent in each body/mind. It's like everything changes and nothing changes. I didn't stop being a father, in fact it's much better because there isn't a me trying to play out my hopes and dreams through my boys. It's easy to tell what they are interested in......just have to pay attention to them!

Frustrated narcissism coupled with little person syndrome: I'm everything, i'm not insignificant in the big scheme of reality. Why? Because I said so and that proves it. Behold my powers and witness my infinite intelligence. See those clouds and lightning over there.......im doing that!!! Prove me wrong!!! 🤣

There doesn't need to be another pov. The freedom is not knowing. Leave it empty please