VeganAwake

Yes it's glorious and so beyond words... So many things can be questioned: 1) was the seeking and suffering energy of not finding a true catalyst for the self inquiry results? 2) can someone hearing their conditioned practices and seeking are pointless, create enough energy and frustration to turn within to find their true nature during inquiry? 3) if a guru just shakes you (papaji) and tells you to stop stop was this the true cause of their Awakening? 4) if someone empties their glass surrenders completely and listens to a Great Master explaining self inquiry is the way, can this alone awaken? 5) can a deep intellectual recognition that there is nothing to find minimize the seeking energies suffering? Love this quote: "Do not seek illumination unless you seek it as a man whose hair is on fire seeks a pond" - Sri Ramakrishna

What happened here was a pause on the outwardly seeking... Then a question arose out of nowhere.... After a year-and-a-half of Hardcore seeking the answer must be right under the nose in plain sight but overlooked... Then something was remembered from an Adyashanti video... He was saying Enlightenment is a falling away process not a gaining or an adding of something.... The external seeking and anxiety energy was turned inwards and harnessed for deep self inquiry. It was recognized that the 'ME' that had been so desperately seeking, wasn't actually real... It was recognized the idea of 'ME' was just a compilation of beliefs ideas perceptions and labels 'I' was identified with as the 'I'... I began a Native American like layer sheading ceremony where I was physically acting out peeling off the layers and throwing them to the side... I began feeling lighter and lighter until there was nothing left... Here's a picture I true when I was catching on that the self was an illusion.

@Guru Fat Bastard this is great information I'm not denying that. But what happens is another belief is then created that there is somehow value in stumbling onto the knowledge during seeking that there is nothing to find. This message is not saying any way is the right way it's saying that every way is the way... Whether the illusory individual seeks doesn't seek or something beneath the seeking energy recognizes there is nothing to find there is no meaning purpose or value to any of it... Because of course when it's discovered the individual isn't real there's no one there that gets anything out of it ... Sure there's less suffering for No One ?

There's not a bunch of Concepts being pointed to here... it just seems that way the only thing being pointed to is: - the separate sense of self, the ME character is not real it's an illusion or Maya. When the 'ME' is recognized to have never been and it's seeking energy collapses... all of its earthly problems (suffering) go along with it. There can't be suffering when it's recognized the sufferer was an illusion.

What's being conveyed by no one to no one is their is no meaning to anything because there is actually no one here for it to mean anything for. The self ceases to exist already, it's an illusion or Maya. Nothing will cease to exist after the body dies because there was never anything truly here in the first place. There was never a separate self born in the first place ...It was a misidentification This can't be understood by the Seeker because to the Seeker everything is real and meaningful and it is going to find the answer one day and be fulfilled... This whole scenario is hopeless because the separate self/seeker isn't real and there was never anything missing for it to find to complete itself in the first place. Something underneath this seeking energy hears this message and can recognize the separate self is an illusion fictitious belief created by the mind and energy in the body.

Yes eliminating distractions for clearer concentration was important for me as well... Leo actually has some great episodes that can help with this I believe one of them is called distraction egos favorite defense mechanism...

Unknowing is what was surrendered to here... There is no direction to go or not go... There is no path... you can't move towards or away from everything... There are no right or wrong's, should or should not, this over that... You can't go wrong when every option is everything... Staying put is the same as doing something... There isn't a higher power judging anything... There appears to be some kind of boundless pure potential energy but it's empty and void of any meaning or purpose... You could say this energy transcends meaning purpose value truth, but that would just be a projection of the Mind... Its THIS... and it can't be grasped by the human mind it can't be put in a box labeled and given a direction because it's everything and simultaneously an empty nothingness.. You simply can't go wrong because everything is IT!!!

It's interesting how a few sentences from Osho feels like the knowledge of existence being revealed.

Before Enlightenment one must roll the boulder up the mountain, after Enlightenment one must still roll the boulder up the mountain.... what has changed? The resistance to what is... Sounds like you got the message loud and clear thanks for sharing that was a very interesting story ❤

I once saw a pigeon-toed albino giraffe with a crooked neck at the Santa Barbara Zoo it was quite the experience

@Gnosis ? Yes when a direct experience of awakening occurs it's not a debatable topic... Its no one abiding in Non-dual awareness stating opinions about everything and nothing to no one... I can absolutely see how it would resemble a stubborn opinionated know-it-all guy. ?

That's right but when it's recognized there are no separate individuals it's simultaneously recognized all is One AKA non-dual awareness/ Buddha nature. It's recognized the separate individual experiencing the absolute was never the case... it's always been the absolute experiencing itself as itself. Even Oneness or the absolute is realized to be illusion.. Ramana Maharshi spoke of this... emptiness within emptiness. I really don't usually discuss all the recognitions that follow the no self realization because it sounds like a complex story when it's really quite basic when it occurs.

It's not as easy as intellectually understanding the false self is an illusion.. The seeking energy has to actually dissolve.. If that doesn't happen first it doesn't matter what recognition/belief takes place you will continue to seek or run on the hamster wheel for the rest of your life because you are quite literally still identified as the seeking energy/separate self. "Three things that can't be hidden for long the Sun the Moon and Truth"

What happened here was when it was recognized by no one that the individual 'ME' was an illusion, the idea of anything truly having any meaning purpose or value dissolved because there wasn't an individual left for anything to matter for. The resistance to life died. Nothing matters is a freedom message for no one but I better shut up now before I get kicked off LOL

The debacle if it could be called that, is there is no longer a belief in an individual here that could become aware of something called God consciousness in the future. It was recognized quite clearly that not only is there no one here, but no one ever existed in the first place...( it was a misidentification) The excitement of finding anything fell away because it was realized there isn't anyone here that would actually benefit from finding or becoming conscious of anything.... Its a big non-issue for no one ?

And individual mind can say there's a benefit from things mattering or not mattering but that also doesn't matter and has no meaning purpose or value to it whatsoever....

Well what was recognized here was the belief that something has meaning purpose and value ends up being just a projection of the mind. You could say there's value in the recognition that there is no meaning purpose or value to anything but that just becomes another projection of the mind.

Yes that's all seeking energy can do is continue to seek ... the good news is there's nothing to find because nothing was ever missing... And whatever is found has no meaning purpose or value whatsoever... it's incredible ❤

And none of those realizations have any meaning purpose or value whatsoever.. they do not benefit anything in any way. And even if one was to say I've discovered the truth that has no meaning purpose or value whatsoever to anything at all.

The denial of our Natural Instincts is hurting Us.. It's not that we should act on all our instinctual desires.... that could get us thrown in prison. This energy needs to pass through us and be recognized for what it is. The suppression is becoming the prison. The answer is not to turn our attention away from it and stuff it down into the subconscious even farther... I've heard some interesting stories on people acting out scenarios to relieve this tension and energy... it's funny I think of Jim Carrey acting out in all of his movies... although his character always seem similar there's a subtle acting out and getting rid of a lot of built-up energy Society creates in us... Definitely going to explore this topic further ❤

When it's recognized that even the apparent mind that creates illusion is also illusion.... emptiness no thing pregnant nothingness... Boundlessness... holyshitness When Even Silence is not it.... Its......................

@Thewritersunion thank you for sharing I appreciate that... I love hearing all the different perspective ❤

We were just wearing dark sunglasses on a foggy day and we forgot to put our contacts in. When the fog lifts, the sunglasses are removed and the contacts are put in, the Map and the Territory merge and for the first time its recognized you have always been home... A joyous energy begins to arise because it's realized the destination was always right where You were standing. It's always been right under the nose... The sun has always been shining bright behind the clouds(veil), the dark cloudy day was the illusion. The finger-pointing was it.. What the finger was pointing at was it.. The one observing the finger-pointing was it.. The Seeker and the Sought were never something separate.. The journey and the destination was always Oneness. "Many are standing at the door, but it is the solitary that will enter the bridal chamber" " Whoever has ears let them hear" - Jesus (Gospel of Thomas)

I respect your opinion and I would personally like to hear everything you have to say about deeper stages ... in detail if possible please ?