VeganAwake

Well this was just what I needed right before bed to go along with my cabin fever symptoms ?

When waking up occurred it was recognized that the separate self was never real to begin with. It was just a misidentification with the things that were mentioned earlier. Saying its like an illusion is just a word that comes close to describing how it seems. (something that is not really what it seems to be) You could switch up the word illusion with misidentification...it's just a word pointing. So when the misidentification stops occurring Awakening is the result. You couldn't wake up and then fall back asleep because the entire Paradigm is shattered. I know you said you don't watch videos but this video mimicked almost perfectly my exact experience. It's worth a watch if you get a chance one of the best movies on awakening in my opinion.

Yes exactly, an illusion is something that seems to be real but actually isn't. The self illusion ends up being a compilation of different things.... thoughts, contracted energy, ideas, judgements, beliefs and labels identified with since birth. The misidentification as the self with the compilation of these different things keeps one tied to social conditioning and stuck in The Matrix. Waking up is when you stop identifying as the limited self with these thoughts... there seems to be a disentangling from social conditioning and the egoic self agenda.... I call this snapping out of The Matrix.

I really like this guy, he's got a lot of good solid information out there. It was so funny, I was literally discussing this topic with Tony Parsons and then his video popped up like 2 hours later... strange coincidence maybe, maybe not. ❤

For the record this statement was not directed towards anybody... or have some kind of hidden hurtful meaning. It was pointing out that the separate self does not want to hear a message about its own unreality... that's what was meant by tossing it over the head of the separate individual. Something underneath the separate sense of self hears this message and resonates.

An illusion cannot create real Duality because the illusion itself is a misunderstanding, there never was an illusion or something separate. But that doesn't mean an illusion cannot create an effect. For example: The illusion of a water source in the desert can keep an individual walking towards it believing they're eventually going to get to the water... the water was never real but it still created an apparent effect in keeping the individual walking towards nothing. Or like when you try to touch a rainbow, as you get closer, it disappears and it's recognized it was never real to begin with....just a visual effect (smoke and mirrors)

After deep self inquiry the man recognized the separate sense of self that he had been identified with for 23 years was simply an illusion. (yes it's true in a sense to say Illusions are not real because, that's what Illusions are something that appeared to be real but wasn't)

Meaning of illusion in English illusion noun - an idea or belief that is not true: He had no illusions about his talents as a singer. I'm under no illusions (= I understand the truth) about the man I married. My boss is laboring under the illusion that (= wrongly believes that) the project will be completed on time. - something that is not really what it seems to be: A large mirror in a room can create the illusion of space The impression of calm in the office is just an illusion.

It seems like there's someone here that stated something, trusts it and believes it to be true.. Also it appears there's someone there that can see things clearly.. This is Maya the illusion of self... it isn't real... it's Indescribable and incomprehensible... it can't be intellectually understood really. When the separate sense of self apparently falls away then it is experienced... So it sounds humorous and illogical because it isn't your experience...

@Nahm ❤ here is another way of explaining why I'm not taking input: Let's say that you give me directions on how to tune up my Chevy Corvette... Now everything is going great and your directions appear clear and concise, but as I go to unlock the hood latch, my hand just goes through the hood, its recognized the Chevy Corvette isn't real... it is a hologram that looked completely real. Now it wouldn't make sense to continue trying to tune up this holographic Chevy Corvette would it? From time to time people walk by your house and comment on how nice of a Corvette you have, and sometimes you almost identify with it being real because it looks so real....but deep down you know it isn't real... the bottom of the bucket has fallen out and it is not holding water any longer.. The illusion has been completely seen through so any attempts to fix up the Chevy Corvette would be simply ridiculous and perpetuating the belief that it's actually real. It is not a personal thing that I have against your input...it wouldn't matter if you or anyone else was giving it to the apparent ME.... it's just recognized here that there is nothing for the individual to gain because there isn't one. ❤

Yes exactly spot on.. Even the constant seeking is IT...

Okay thank you I appreciate the offer and vice versa..❤

Or it could be said that the emptiness of no self/no belief is the freedom itself. But there's no one here that believes anything because the self isn't real.

There's an apparent death of a human body, but no YOU that knows that... The YOU that believes its the human body is the illusion itself (MAYA)... so nothing is going to die because there was never anything actually born. It's completely radical and incomprehensible...its THIS!!

I understand what you're saying... Embodying Nothing matters does not mean your going to sit on a log drooling on yourself for the remainder of life because nothing matters so f*** everything there's nothing to do. It's the recognition that there isn't anyone here for anything to actually matter for (nothing matters doesn't reveal this... Awakening reveals it) and there are no end results of actions... It's a complete Freedom message but for No One. ❤

@WHO IS why not?

@traveler yes exactly well said.. every effort to drop the illusion reinforces its existence. It's like trying to throw the information over the separate self's head and hoping something is recognized.. The separate self does not want to hear this message... it wants nothing to do with it lol... for good reason it's it's death ?

I'll always love you no matter what bud.. It just seems like you're trying to discredit me in different low key under the table fashions.. I totally get it.. If you can discredit or shoot the messenger you do not have to take seriously the implications of the message... I would encourage you to pin down what triggers you with the message and explore where that emotion is coming from..or don't it simply and wonderfully doesn't matter. ❤

thanks bud...I wasn't seeking for your input.. If you believe half of a paradox is being held onto that's what's happening.. I was answering what seemed to be a question but since you already have the answers there's no need I guess.

It really just depends on what you're talking about... Yes biggest picture understanding helps but does not matter at all... nothing does!! That's why I claim it's the highest teaching... but even that doesn't matter isn't it beautiful ?

The real issue lies within the identification... When you are identified with said feelings or thoughts it triggers emotions... they become personal Same thing with the ego.. When you are identified with the ego or separate self ...you believe it is your sense of self and suffering occurs. It's all a misidentification!!

It's real and unreal... Are rainbows real? If you see a mirage of water in the desert Is that real? Appearances can have an effect but that does not make them actually real.