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There isn't anything happening... you know that ?

It sounds like a big difference in the message.. Yes the separate self hates this message and avoids it completely... best bet sounds like it would be too avoid topics I post in I guess... Good luck ❤

Yeah who is that 'I'?

Well even if you/we were all God it would have no meaning purpose or value whatsoever and obviously you can't do any superpowers so what's the point of caring... You are not special in any way whatsoever in having that realization...

There's no one here to think it sounds ridiculous or perceive there is a God... That's all Maya illusion of of the self ❤

There is no answer because there is no one here to ask a question. Question and answer = complete emptiness It's coming from nothingness and arriving at nothingness

Fortunately yes, there was never a self to experience anything. Consciousness is a dream it's all a dream. ? That's why the highest teaching is nothing matters... ❤

Well you believe there's nothing other than yourself what do you mean?

Cool story you can investigate your entire life and none of it will have any meaning value or purpose whatsoever... Simply because there isn't anyone here to get anything out of it... The someone here to get something out of something is the illusion hints Awakening...❤ ?

Holy smokes this has been gone over about a dozen times... There is still a conditioned human body here... have you ever driven to the store and forgot you even did it... that's called conditioning The human body can still jump out of the way of a moving train and turn its head if it's name is called get a drink of water or eat something if it's hungry... choose coffee over tea..

Let me guess I am God but I've placed myself in the finite form and rendered myself powerless....lol Time for something new bud... doesn't that just sound ridiculous... There is no God and there was never a you..

Well what's been recognized here is that there isn't a ME or Others... This is exactly why Leo says to go out and find your own truth instead of adopting his beliefs.

There is no belief taken on... that's a misunderstanding.. What's been recognized by no one is the separate self that seems to be identified with the human body is not real. It's not a gaining of understanding it's a falling away of something that never existed

An Empty Answer You want me to “say more” about nothingness. Could anything be more paradoxical for the reader than to try to understand “nothing”? Why? Because most people start from the conviction that there is something which does exist; if nothing more, at least “me”. So, you will not likely appreciate nothingness unless you have come to realization through advaita. At least we will, then, begin without the assumption that a “me” really exists. But even for the realized advatin, there will almost certainly be a presumption that “something” exists in the realm of reality. Even “reality”. Advaita points to ajata, and ajata is about nothingness, or emptiness. The Diamond Sutra of Buddhism, points exclusively to it. Hui Neng, the Sixth Chinese Patriarch, declares flatly: ‘There is nothing from the start.” These sources, among others, set your foot on the path, but recognize that most people are then going to immediately be lost. I have written clearly about advaita, and several have understood what I’ve said. I have spoken, to some of these, about what lies beyond the “Absolute,” and a couple have understood. So I will try to explain it, as best I can. The “ultimate condition” (if any) is nothingness, the complete “absence” of anything—no thing, of any possible description. The (approximate) comprehension of this would be to conceive of “emptiness”, as the emptiness of which not anything could be emptied; pure unassociated emptiness, and not even an emptiness which is within some imagined boundaries. The word “void” could be applied; but this “actuality” is not void of something—in any positive sense. So the nothingness of which we speak is totally empty, free of any subtlety which could even be envisioned. Hence there is not anything “within” it that can be subject to any kind of movement, or even change. Not anything can “come from” nothingness, nor “return” to it. It is not the “origin” of anything. In fact, it could not be applicable to say that it exists, or does not exist. Thus we can’t say that this is the “beginning” condition or the “ending” condition. At best, we could say that (if it were “existent”) it would be the ever-present condition. Yet, it is not an abstraction: its presence is “eternal”. “In” its presence are supposed creatures, and the world and universe they seem to inhabit. But all of these supposed things are “in” nothingness. They have not appeared from nothingness, or out of nothingness, or because of nothingness. In fact, they have not actually “appeared”, except as nothingness. The creatures take their reality, their “existence”, for granted; and thus also the reality or existence of the world and its universe—not knowing that they are nothing. The assumption is: ‘There was a time when I didn’t exist, a time when I existed, and a time when I will no longer exist”. But there are no such times. Not anything has ever “existed”, from the standpoint of nothingness. In nothingness, there is no “time”. What makes this so difficult to understand, is that because we say that “I have existed”, we conclude that there is some thing. And indeed we look around and say there are other things, such as a world or a universe. But the presumption that there was a time when I did not exist (or do; or will not exist) is false: no arising, abiding or decaying exists in nothingness. In other words, not anything “happens” in nothingness. “We” are nothing, the “world” is nothing, the “universe” is nothing. In nothingness, there is neither existence nor nonexistence. There is only nothing. From the standpoint of nothingness, no questions can arise. We can not ask for, nor expect, an explanation: not anything ever happens, in nothingness. The value of this understanding is that not anything really matters. Even understanding this does not matter. All is emptiness. That is the “empty” answer. The scriptures speak of one who is in sahaja samadhi as having “no mind” or an “empty mind”. It is this appreciation of nothingness that is referred to.

Yes exactly this is the message... Most teachers can't stomach the notion of there's nothing here from the start... Takes big nuts and total surrender...

Fortunately nothing that was discussed on this thread has any meaning purpose or value whatsoever... There isn't anyone for it to meen anything for... The highest teaching coined by VeganAwake is of course: "Nothing Matters" - VeganAwake ? This same teaching is actually in relation to: "Nothing real can be threatened, nothing unreal exists, herein lies the peace of God" - A Course in Miracles

Think of humans just like animals... they have Natural Instincts and conditioning to the surrounding environment. Then the separate sense of self or ego starts being created from around the age of 2 and keeps attaching things and beliefs to its sense of self and believes it's running the human body... it literally thinks it is the human body.... This illusion of the ME that appears in the human body is completely unreal... When Awakening occurs this sense of ME is completely seen to be illusory.(IT FALLS AWAY) This is why it's called Awakening... You quite literally wake up out of the dream of being a separate 'ME' inside the body... I just like how well she describes things. ?

Nothing hears it... the separate sense of self or ego just falls away.. nothing understands it, it just apparently happens. Prior to awakening the separate self does not want to hear this message and will always misinterpret it. Yes there's not really a misunderstanding in a sense that anything actually matters but it can help to understand how and what Awakening actually entails. Yes nothing is in order or out of order it's just as it is. There is absolutely an apparent happening ...I used to run around in the rat race trying to achieve achieve achieve gain gain improve improve.... the seeking energy was exhausting the human body. Anyone can say all day long that it's not a happening...but I guarantee if you compare two individuals one that's awakened and one that is not ...they will have very different lives... especially because awakened does not identify as a self and no longer suffers in self pitty/delusion. Just check out that samadhi movie, it almost mimicked identically the experience that occurred here.

It can just be a difficult topic to understand...❤ Someone can hear that the separate sense of self or the ego isn't real and that it's an illusion and they will interpret that as there's nothing that needs to be done because an illusion isn't real... But this is a misunderstanding... The separate self or ego is a compilation of energy thoughts beliefs ideas and labels... this misidentification as the 'ME' can keep one tied to social conditioning forever feeding their life to The Matrix.

What typically happens is people will try to bring the self with them while Awakening.... The issue is Awakening is when the self structure collapses.. You can change the name from seeking to exploration or whatever you want, but it's still the seeking energy continuing to seek. When true Awakening occurs and the self structure collapses along with the egoic self agenda, seeking becomes a ridiculous notion because who would be seeking when it's recognized there isn't anyone to find anything. the illusion is real and unreal... It's real in the sense that when you're identified with it, it has an effect and it seems real... It's unreal in the fact that it's not a real entity... This is why it's called an illusion...(its not real but seems real) Awakening is unidentifying with the illusion as the self.

I mentioned this before.... a quick way you can tell if something is ego driven is by not doing it.... If by not doing the action, there's a feeling of guilt or diminishment of ones sense of self worth. You can be sure it's the egoic self agenda at work as the spiritual ego/ do-gooder ego... the new higher self... shoot that's just spiritual ego sneaking in the back door and taking its control back to survive.

It's a freedom message and its intention is to deprogram the social conditioning and egoic self agenda.. Snapping out of The Matrix claiming your freedom... Breaking Free from the confines of your own mind. This isn't saying one way is better than the other it just seems that some people want this message attempts to reveal ❤

It's not dualistic because the separate self never actually existed it's a misidentification that has the power create an effect. Something cannot be dualistic when one thing is real and the other does not exist. There needs to be two apparently real objects for dualism to even exist..( a hot desert and the Mirage of water in the desert does not create dualism because the Mirage was never real to begin with) There's still a conditioned body here ...you will still turn your head if somebody calls your name or jump out of the way of a train.. the human body may still prefer tea over coffee and knows to get a drink of water or get something to eat.

U got it ?