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Gotcha and totally understand... This recognition does not necessarily change the outer experience. There is still apparent separate bodies living life... It's just recognized that the separate sense of self within that body was simply a misidentification with thought and energy as the ME character... The stickiness of the self within the body is no longer there... things are no longer personal... conditioned thoughts and emotions can still arise but they are not believed to be yours any longer they are just simply arising out of nothing for nothing... The resistance to What IS is dropped, and the belief or feeling of personal psychological suffering goes along with it. apparent problems can still arise.. there can be pain in the body, your wife can still get murdered you can still lose your job and your house.. The best way to describe it is it's completely ordinary and extraordinary simultaneously... but for No One ❤

It wasn't an assumption or a judgement... And it's not about anything being right or wrong.. This communication transcends the idea of anything being right or wrong. And I'm sure there is awareness there of the fact that 99% of the population believes they are separate individuals within the body/mind organism. This message is a communication pointing to the fact that everything is already whole complete and perfect... There is no one here that knows anything...

So what is underneath the thought I am? Is it just another thought? What is I am.. What does it consist of... Where is it located... ❤

M@JayG84 that's why this work requires an emptying of the glass... It's not another gaining of another insight... It's a dropping of Concepts and insights all together... Enlightenment or Awakening isn't a gaining of knowledge or an attainment of some sort that will be had in the future...( it's to die before you die) it could be said it's literally the opposite of what the Mind wants to do... the Mind wants to conceptualize understand label put things in a box and check it off as understood. Awakening transcends the minds limited ability to conceptualize and understand. Check out the video on YouTube Samadhi (Maya illusion of the self) if you haven't already.... If something underneath the thinking thinking mind can resonate with this video you will be on your way... it's at least a start a very good video ❤

Correct ...non-duality is just a word pointing to everything exactly as it appears for No One. The map is not the territory... Non-duality being a negative philosophy it's just a projection about it coming from a conditioned mind. In its original meaning it points to the fact that there is not 2... there is not a perceiver and the perceived... there is not a subject witnessing the object... there is not a ME and everything else out there. ❤

The only difference (if it could be called that) between this transmission quoting Ramana and the one conveyed on this thread are the choice words used such as Consciousness,True Self, Higher Self, Infinity and so on... reason being, it still sounds dualistic as in there is something or someone that has attained this Consciousness or Higher Self/True Self realization. Of course these are the limitations of language which is dualistic in nature... it really depends on how the words are perceived. In fact listening to this video it actually sounds like the way that Consciousness and True Self are being used are just pointers to what apparently appears after Awakening which is everything that appears AKA THIS!! An empty fullness; a pregnant nothingness; its real and unreal. It is what it is... there is no meaning purpose or value to any of it because there is no one here for it to matter for ❤

This faulty set up or line of questioning is part of the issue... See you believe there is a separate self inside the body that can find something outside of itself to solve its apparent problem. In other words the question is: how does something that's not real recognize its own unreality? The answer is it doesn't... the separate self cannot and will not ever hear this message because it's senses its own demise in the outcome. You cannot use the thinking mind to recognize no self... STOP THINKING.... and look at what is true... What is it, that makes up the 'YOU' inside the body? Not how does it feel, but what is it made out of? Where is it located? ❤ stop thinking just look

You are still claiming those thoughts as yours subtly... they are not your thoughts.... they are just thoughts arising for no one.... just sit with those thoughts, don't give them attention and don't ignore them just sit with them. You couldn't divide yourself from anyone even if you wanted to because there is no you. This makes Duality an impossibility because there were never any separate individuals to begin with. There's no need to transcend Something That Never Was. Duality is simply a misunderstanding nothing more. ❤

No need to attempt to drop thoughts, rather recognize that thoughts just arise. There's no need to take ownership of them, no need to identify with them as 'MY' thoughts.... they are not your thoughts, they are just thoughts arising for no one. When you stop identifying with thoughts and giving them attention, they can decrease to almost no thoughts arising at all. ❤

It's so simple that its overlooked... The mind thinks it will find a solution to its apparent problem which will give it fulfillment at a future date. It believes that if it just comes across the right information it will find the hidden secret of creation. But this whole setup it's like running on a hamster wheel...it feels like you're getting somewhere but you're actually just spinning your tires because there is nothing to be found. Everything is already whole complete and perfect... nothing is missing, so nothing could be found. The ego / mind does not want to hear this message because it senses its own death.... the ego says seek but do not find. The constant seeking perpetuates the belief that there is a real 'ME' that will one day find what it's looking for and finally be fulfilled.... The solution to the apparent problem isn't finding something externally... The solution is recognizing there is nothing to find. It's getting off the hamster wheel and letting the seeking energy / ego construct die out. Everything is unknowable because the one that believes it can know something is Maya (illusion of self). The illusory self-identity within the body starts forming at a very young age and builds on top of itself as you get older. You start identifying with thoughts, ideas, beliefs, perceptions and energy as the 'ME' character within the body. Sometimes this energetic misidentification can collapse which could be referred to as Awakening or Enlightenment. So if there was an answer to "what is happening" it could be said that its unknowable because there really isn't anyone here to know anything. It's unknowable and indescribably perfect whole and complete for know one.... Its everything that apparently arises... It's THIS!!!

Yes they just don't make them like they used to in the late 70's & 80s...

Sorry couldn't resist one of my favorite movies of all time...?

how is there more to go when everything is already itself... whole complete and perfect. Just like Duality doesn't collapse because it was never real to begin with. You're so-called god-realization is just a thought in your mind... And even if you did recognize yourself as god which you are not... it absolutely has no meaning purpose or value whatsoever ...you have no higher powers or any kind of special abilities in any way at all. You are not special for believing that you are God ?

Neo advaita LOL more labeling... This is simply a tactic of the Ego to shoot the messenger so one doesn't have to take seriously the implications of the message... I truly love you bro and I've done my best to try to explain actual non-duality to you but you simply cannot understand it from a subject/object perspective. This work requires an emptying of the glass... it's a dropping of all concepts... (it's to die before you die) not simply finding one that resonates with the illusory self or its so-called experience. Yes, Brainwashed is the perfect word because it is a dropping away of the egoic self agenda or conditioned way of thinking. If you look close enough you will recognize that even so-called consciousness is just another thought created by the ego in a last-ditch effort to keep itself intact. This is what's referred to as spiritual ego, it believes itself to now be higher consciousness... it's really just more Ego/Mind tricks, only this trick is extra sneaky. See, the Mind or ego construct cannot perceive of its own unreality... it will literally do anything to keep itself from recognizing its own unreality and dissolving. God is a concept created by the mind to instill hope for the illusory individual... ❤

They can disrupt the normal functioning of the Mind... They can reveal that there is an alternative way of thinking and perceiving or lack thereof... They can shed light on the fact that there is something beyond the thinking mind... They are handy wake-up calls to snap 'ME' out of pathological thinking and the unnecessary suffering it creates... "The ego construct is nothing more than the impulse to repeat. It is simply the path that energy once took, and the tendency for the energy to take that path again, whether it is negative or positive for the organism" -- Samadhi (Maya illusion of the self) Are hallucinogenics and drugs necessary for Awakening... of course not. Can they assist in Awakening... of course they can. (for reasons mentioned above) Can hallucinogenics and Other Drugs have negative effects... it depends on what you perceive as negative. Can hallucinogenics or other drugs expand consciousness... if you consider expanding Consciousness as a different way of thinking and perceiving then yes... do they create a potential that wasn't there before... no they do not.(unless the potential of not using the thinking mind is realized) Now let's get deep... What is before the thinking mind... What is there besides the thought of what is there... Row row row your boat gently down the stream merrily merrily merrily merrily life is but a dream.... Surprise!!! ? ❤❤ ❤ ❤

You may be a little shocked when it's recognized the knowing yourself as awareness is still part of the illusion... nothing recognizing it's nothing, now that's the cosmic joke ?

Yes and once these egoic mind thoughts are no longer believed in or entertained, they die down greatly until they almost never arise...this is so amazing because its recognized that you are not the mind or its thoughts.

This made me think of the page that I keep from Eckhart Tolle in my truck. ❤

Yes the ego or separate sense of self hates this message and it will never hear it... it will resist it all the way through. It cant imagine it's own unreality. There is nothing to do because what is, is already the case. There is still a conditioned body that will turn its head if it's name is called or jump out of the way of a moving train, or use the restroom when it has to.

@meow_meow There is no future destination to arrive at because the one seeking isn't real... When this is recognized sometimes the seeking energy collapses back into the everything and nothing from which it arose. This would be what's referred to as Awakening.

Exactly ❤

https://www.eventbrite.com/e/nothing-conference-registration-105170385454 I wasn't sure where to put this on the Forum but wanted to share ...there's a great lineup of non dual speakers already set up. ❤

@Javfly33 ❤

@dimitri yes I follow several non-duality speakers on YouTube..? I get the new video and event reminders ? Love you too brother.

The Tao Made Easy by Alan Cohen; A Course in Miracles Made Easy by Alan Cohen; Awaken Now by Fred Davis; The Tantra experience by Osho; The Open Secret by Tony Parsons; The end of your world by Adyashanti