VeganAwake

It's not something that's gained... it's a recognition that the separate sense of self / ego / the sufferer is an illusion. And thereby revealing the absurd notion that something "that never was" could ever gain anything ❤

It's not that when Awakening occurs everything somehow looks different or New Dimensions of reality are revealed. It's recognized that the apparent individual that gives meaning purpose and value to everything which it seems to experience, isn't real. As long as it seems like there is a sense of 'ME' here that will get something out of THIS, everything will be meaningful and full of purpose. When that collapses, everything is what it already is...THIS!! Not for any reason, not for any individual... simply because it just IS.

it's not just the ego, your entire separate sense of 'Self' is a bundle of thoughts... If a doctor zapp's your brain with electricity you would turn into a vegetable.... And of course the separate sense of self would not accept reality being illusion... it only knows the real and has no idea what unreal is. Yes absolutely it is what it is... There's still a body with all of its senses.... but what is there without the thought stories.?.. a dream, reality consciousness, absolute, god....or just more thought stories? God is the realest thing hmmm... Please don't take my word for it... Inspect it ❤

There isn't a 'YOU'... that's a dream or Maya illusion of the self. So you could say eternity is eternal but that's just a story the dream character created. there isn't a separate individual inside the body that's alive now, so there won't be anyone to live or die later.

Like this ❤ Yes we lay down our web of beliefs over the top of what's happening and judge from that position... Here's a joke: Do you know how to make God laugh? Tell him your plans... We want things to go certain ways according to our conditioned beliefs.. Apparent happenings are neither good nor bad it's just the thoughts we believe that make them so. ❤

@mandyjw ❤ like that ?

It's just a pointer to the fact that there is no goal there's no where to reach there is no agenda that actually needs to be achieved... how does saying something is meaningless give it meaning. That's like saying being in neutral is still a gear... it's not a gear rev it up all you want you're not going anywhere. Not having a belief isn't a belief because it leaves you clear and open... unbounded by a belief.

Oh okay cool no need to be so snippy about it..hehe Recognize that belief has no meaning purpose or value whatsoever to what's happening.

@Heaven ❤ There isn't a 'YOU' that something worked for... Look closer it's an illusion...

@WaveInTheOcean❤ Did you watch the videos? There isn't an agenda that needs to be fulfilled here.. The communication is pointing to everything already being "What Is" Maybe look back and question if what was said there is a direct reflection of what is felt inside there... There isn't a landing somewhere with truth... The freedom/ liberation lies in unknowing ❤

Spiritual Ego is still just Ego but it's focused content has changed...That's All!! Let's use Spiral Dynamics to paint a picture since most here are familiar with the model. A Stage Orange Ego has the pendulum swung to themselves sort of speak and is focused on Personal Achievement rather than the collective...ie: If 'I' work hard enough 'I' can get this new Job Promotion, move into that hot new condo in the city, buy that BMW 'I' so badly need so 'I' can get that hot new girlfriend or boyfriend of my dreams and life will be amazing... as long as 'I' work hard and stay focused, nothing will keep 'ME' from my dreams. Whereas a Stage Green Ego the pendulum has swung back to the collective and thus becomes the humanitarian do-gooder spiritual ego... hey man I'm going to learn how to use plants to heal the world' it's my crusade to purify planet Earth in whatever means 'I' deem necessary. It's totally time for change cos what's Happening Now isn't the way the world should be. We should also give the Native Americans back all their land and simultaneously fix world hunger. See this is a big shift that's often misunderstood as a Spiritual Awakening/Enlightenment... all the focused content has changed, but there still is this driving force that something needs to be done and I'm just the one that can tip the scale and create the big change. See the focused content has changed but one is still a slave to Stage Green's collective conditioning... this isn't Liberation, one could even call it a shift in consciousness but when looked closely it's really just decorating the Prison Walls of the Mind Matrix with Green wallpaper. Now this isn't to say there isn't apparent good in these actions... look at sadhguru for example, he is apparently doing great action in the world. The difference is his mind is in service to the actions and not the driving force. It is no longer bound to the Ego's sense of lack guilt and neediness for things to go a certain way. He is free to be of service. The easiest way to spot the Ego at work is its sense of lack, the sense that there's something more that has to be done or the mission is a failure... it's a feeling that there's always more that needs to be done for THIS experience to feel complete and satisfied. Unfortunately this day never comes because the Ego will always create another goal that needs attainment in the future... it's never-ending... it's seeking energy attempting to find the end of seeking but it never will because the end of seeking is the Egos Death.( running on the hamster wheel) How can "What IS" somehow be incomplete...it isn't. It's whole complete and perfect but for No One ❤

Yes absolutely apparent side effects seem to be ... but they have no meaning purpose or value whatsoever... The only thing that creates value meaning purpose is the 'sense of self'.. and it's an illusion. Hope is non applicable because there isn't a real entity living in the body that needs to survive.... it was never real from the beginning. It was Maya illusion of the self ❤

True Nature: That sounds like the new and improved spiritual ego sneaking in the back door and subtly taking back over... only this time it's extra sneaky because it's all about love compassion and harmony. Examine the so-called Self with razersharp focus and you'll see it's unreality....its an illusion ❤

What is a true nature?

@assx95 Recognize there isn't a 'YOU' inside the body that needs to do anything. 'YOU' are a misidentification with thoughts and energy stored in the body. ❤

100% absolutely ?

Went on a quest to find myself and disappeared....

Absolutely... it will not hear this message no matter what... It wants to survive. Something else recognizes it...❤

The real unreal...❤

@Javfly33 You just won funny Quote Of The Day: ❤ "I'm trying to prepare for the surrender" Damn Human Condition right...? The self that's not real is preparing to recognize its own unreality... Seems kind of like reinforcing a brick wall before you try to battle ram it...

They can disrupt the normal functioning of the Mind... They can reveal that there is an alternative way of thinking and perceiving or lack thereof... They can shed light on the fact that there is something beyond the thinking mind... They are handy wake-up calls to snap 'ME' out of pathological thinking and the unnecessary suffering it creates... "The ego construct is nothing more than the impulse to repeat. It is simply the path that energy once took, and the tendency for the energy to take that path again, whether it is negative or positive for the organism" -- Samadhi (Maya illusion of the self) Are hallucinogenics and drugs necessary for Awakening... of course not. Can they assist in Awakening... of course they can. (for reasons mentioned above) Can hallucinogenics and Other Drugs have negative effects... it depends on what you perceive as negative. Can hallucinogenics or other drugs expand consciousness... if you consider expanding Consciousness as a different way of thinking and perceiving then yes... do they create a potential that wasn't there before... no they do not.(unless the potential of not using the thinking mind is realized) Now let's get deep... What is before the thinking mind... What is there besides the thought of what is there...

That's why it's called the pathless path ❤ Sometimes the desperate hardcore seeking and or suffering leads to so much energy buildup that it creates a dropping away or deep recognition... and sometimes it doesn't. See the seeking reenforces/ perpetuates the belief that there is a separate individual that will maybe one day find something called enlightenment... But enlightenment is the cessation of the illusory self structure which is seeking lol....see the issue? it's kind of like screaming for silence... It's so simple and so difficult simultaneously... because in one sense it's already the case and in another it's not recognized at all. It is what it is...

@Aquarius Very interesting thanks for sharing ?