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❤ also if you haven't already, maybe check out: "Perfect Brilliant Stillness" by David Carse Just wow ?

Understanding how the identification with mind creates suffering. Going into details on how our parents were taught certain behaviors which led to the way they raised us and how it affects our lives. David Bohm & J Krishnamurti are great resources on this topic ❤

Nobody becomes enlightened. Enlightenment is the collapsing of the apparent separate individual thus making separation or duality an impossibility... as in it actually never happened. "The separation never occurred" -- A Course in Miracles

And believing it's something that needs to be killed perpetuates it's existence.. Simply recognize its unreality.

Every song is it and not it simultaneously = 0

There is no observer just observation. It's real and unreal... Real because it's what apparently happens.. Unreal because it's empty there's nothing behind it.. nothing manifesting

Yes it's not a one-size-fits-all type of deal. STOP seeking outside of yourself and turn Within. What is 'I'... Where is 'I' located in the body... What does 'I' consist of... ❤

There may be the experience there that there's someone here with wisdom.....DONT BELIEVE IT!!

It's not a comparison or equation that can be figured out by the mind. when you die and become zero unconditional love is the consequence. Simultaneously it's recognized that zero was always the case.

@Gesundheit

Gotcha...yeah I know what your sayin.. Only when the separate knower fish dies, is it recognized it was never real. And then becomes the unknowable.

Me Leo and Mu attempting to describe that love is more than just a feeling.

Yes physical and psychological suffering. If you stub your toe on a rock, you feel physical pain and slowly as the pain decreases you typically would forget all about it. But now let's say you break your leg and can't work for 4 months... this starts turning into psychological suffering because you now become worried about being able to support the family, and how is this new limp in my right leg going to effect my life...etc. Your boss tells you that you're not working hard enough. You tell her okay I will try to work harder. You think about this all day and dwell on it at home and the next day and the next day( psychological suffering) Now this psychological suffering can lead to physical consequences such as accumulation of stress build-up or constant worry, weight gain/loss, gray/loss of hair, fatigue etc. So it's recognized that both physical and psychological pain can lead to prolonged suffering. But who is actually suffering where is that one. See if you can find him or her ❤

Plenty of good information here thought it was worth a share.

I assume what you're referring to is they seem to cause a physical emotion in the body... which is correct but the feeler of emotions is Maya illusion of the self. this is pointing to the realization that there was never a separate self inside any body ever.... making dualism an impossibility or a misunderstanding at best. ❤

I'm not sure, it seems to start around the Age of 2, this subject-object reality gets created(duality) and then it goes through life perpetuating its own illusory existence. Sometimes this unreal sense of 'self' collapses or dies and yet the body continues to go on functioning normally because nothing actually died.. it was an illusion or misidentification.

Let's not turn this into a complex issue, there are two types of suffering correct? Physical and psychological!! If you are identified with the physical body that is experiencing pain, the identification with that body will lead to suffering... as in my body is experiencing the pain and is making me suffer. If you are identified with the psyche's feelings, thoughts and emotions, that identification will lead to suffering... as in out of my psyche arises painful thoughts emotions and memories which are making me suffer. See the actual physical pain and and negative thoughts are not the issue.... it's the identification as my pain which leads to the prolonged suffering experience. Without someone taking ownership there is just feelings thoughts emotions arising for No One. The sufferer is removed from the equation hence the term liberation.

It does sound like ego backlash which usually means you're making progress so it's not a bad thing. The more you see how the mind works the better you can understand it. Did or do you happen to have very controlling parents or family members... this can make the backlash more intense... Basically anytime you're trying to make a radical change in life you will experience backlash or resistance... Your story sounds very familiar and I went through a lot of the same type of experiences... Totally normal ❤

And for you and me we don't even have to say anything before we're wrong....? There's not Someone here & there's no VeganAwake...hehe