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@SQAAD Mind - it is the raw flow of thoughts It always flows outside. Intellect is the discriminative faculty or higher intelligence thoughts.Which gives counter thoughts to that of mind. By the way how celibacy is bad ? Some say - celibacy is good.Some say celibacy is bad.So who is the judge who is going to take that decision ? - "Yourself". Nobody can help you in taking decisions.You have to do that.

@SQAAD @SQAAD Dont understand what you mean fear of suffering. If there is inner conflict between mind and intellect thats not going to help. A purified mind is where there is no conflict between mind and intellect. The inner decision to remain celebate must come from you else you will never suceed. Its not by suppression you are not going remain a celebate. It is not by indulging in sex with several 100s thats not going to satisfy you. By sheer understanding that temporary pleasures - involving opposite will not give satisfaction but suffering will free you from the illusion of lust. The concious decision to remain celebate should come from yours it is not that Patanjali Krishna or other saints said that etc.They are inputs knowledge one must have faith in the wisdom of the words but that alone is not sufficient. The real conviction should happen in you then you are free.

@ROOBIO Practical application of the Truth in life will happen only after realisation.-So I cannot dont know say anything about that. What I heard from lot of realized people is Complete needlessness - is not what suggested. Go for the middle path.Dont go for the extremes and will just result in unnecessary suffering.-Remember only there is no mental suffering but physical suffering cannot be escaped. Discriminate between needs and desires and possessions. Selling away the bike is not needed - the bike is useful for transportation only the attachment to bike its my bike is what needs to be dropped.If something happens to bike one need not be upset.Selling the bike now the mode of transportation is by bus,train ??? So its a self imposed restraint but to travel by other modes of transport. Food shelter cloths medicines and money are basic needs for the body to live survive. One need not renounce money totally - one just need to renounce money mindedness greed misery.Keep on focussing on how to make more money and then how to protect the properties is what needs to be dropped. If money is totally renounced one have to depend on others for basic needs. Be independent - dont dependend on others as much as possible. Total independence is also not practically possible body requires some degree of inter dependence. It is neither totally ignoring the duties - done with careless attitude.Escaping with I am not the doer I dont have any free will etc. As long as body is there one cannot escape from needs duties responsibilities. Living in total isolation - whats the purpose of living such a life ? Body is vulnerable - ageing,disease,memory problems the body is not a super man provided with super powers. Body needs support help of the other people even if you slip down fall some body needs to lift the body carry some weights. Even the monks doing service do have support of fellow monks volunteers. Realisation is knowing that you are always content no matter what happens outside.It doesnt depend on living in isolation nor living in the wirld.wether you are working or in a market place wether other people judge you criticize you abuse you - one is not disturbed. Before realisation carry water chop woods after realisation the same ??? This is my current understanding so for. ???

@cetus56 Meaning the sense of I is realised as an illusion like body but doesnt vanish ? But if that doesnt vanish how oneness can be realised ???? Pls clarify ???

@Raptorsin7 what do you mean by the word no-self pls clarify - are you referring to the sense of i.some say it vanishes some say it doesnt what is your experience ?

@pluto , ???

@SQAAD By nature your true nature is happiness-peace-joy-content. The worldly ignorance has caused the illusion that happiness is something derived from outside and depends on external things. Absolutely you can live a happy and contented life with out lust - lustful urges. Lust is the easiest of all of the illusions that can dropped. It doesnt require hatha-yoga breath watching.Nothing its very very easy simple. You imagine as if its very difficult to achieve. lust is not at all a base need to be happy or content.Lust has nothing to do with happiness or content.Lust has nothing to do with survival. Food-Shelter-cloths-Medicines are the basic needs for survival. Its purpose is for pro-creation not for pleasure.Nor seeing the opposite sex as a object of pleasure toy. Sex is the activity of pro-creation if the couple chooses to have kids. -------------------------------- The illusion that your happiness -joy is dependent on sense pleasures -money-power-name-fame you are terribly wrong mistaken deluded. ------------------------------ The world-movies-internet-education-your interaction with worldly people - everything influences the mind creates illusions is innocently believed taken as truth - real. So read carefully choose the books wisely. Choose wisely the people you be-friend with. Drop watching movies. Drop mastrubation.Drop watching porn. See the opposite as your mother -god (its a bhavam).-Though I didnt practice this. Hear only important news thats required. Shun sense pleasures like poison - Ashtavakra. Prathyahara - step 5 of pathanjali yoga sutra - withdrawing mind from senses. With out mastery of senses - mind cannot be mastered. Watch your desires-pleasure seeking thoughts-and realize the illusions. -------------------------------- ???

@Space Thats perfectly understood(Intellectual knowledge-understanding) to become a experiential realisation - one must realise experientially. Why unable to withdraw from the body is the question. ???

@zeroISinfinity How to observe Awareness ? Who is the one observing awareness ?

@tsuki All organisations have rules and regulations and hierarchy be it materialistic or spiritual. It is not a public space and if rules and regulations are not followed one who doesnt like to follow is asked to leave.As simple as that. They dont have hierarchy enforced through violence - violence is a strong word. They have pleanty of willfull highly skilled professional volunteers. Spirituality is not a business it is run on voluntary donations.The strict traditional Ashrams dont demand money.They dont focus on teaching mainstream yoga -meditation practices. Offcourse Jaggi,Ravishankar etc get money for the yoga classes they conduct - because its impossible to address such massive crowd on a free basis. -------------------------------- I always believed in the Top down approach with a leaning towards middle path and more open minded discussions than the bottom up rigid traditionalistic approach in such Ashrams. And the forum is a nice place to learn a lot. But when I see threads like I am tired of aware of my limited body when I become Infinite will I become aware of everything it makes me wonder how each and every words said are creating confusions - distractions. -------------------------------- Sharing the path and realisations are different from sharing mystical experiences. You were sharing your path and realisations thats beautiful. What I thought-meant mystical is out of body,astral travel,siddhis - like saibaba could create physical objects etc He could disappear his physical body at will.He can shrink his body etc etc For example if one some Ramana Maharishi books it will say as if he had an out of body experience this that miracles etc. Like wise stories of many saints. He could cure diseases this and that because he is God. Which are pure distractions. -------------------------------- ???

@Inliytened1 @Inliytened1 ???

@Giulio Bevilacqua If the band is not so important - drop it. If your conviction realisation is strong enough you wont be affected by what they think speak.And that doesnt mean go and assosciate with them even if your conviction is strong. At one stage one has to avoid even the company of good people-spiritual people and be alone focus on the practice till the goal is reached. Not only just realisation but complete annihilation of the hidden desires. Only then one is said to be safe. Yes the path is slippery if one think he is progressesing 4 steps the fall will be 8 steps back. Caution is always needed.You are alone in this path. @Giulio Bevilacqua

@Inliytened1 Leo is right when he says the forum has given lot of freedom to the people to express their opinions much much much tolerant compared to the spiritual communities Indian ashrams zen monastries. People think masters monks will be very compassionate. They dont encourage asking questions at all.They crush the ego often. They hit you test your patience intimidate you crticize you rebuke demean tell you fool they test your attachment detachment likes dislikes give wrong guidance to see if one have the discrimination to call the bluff they will test how determined one is after truth how attached to money family opposite sex name fame lust and seeker ego and spiritual ego how disciplined one is how truthful how sincere dedicated ??? The prerequisites of Truth integrity listening with empty mind calmness equanimity tolerance to suffering dispassion to sense pleasures dedication compassion to all (but not attachment) and very very strong quest for Truth -Qualifications required for a seeker ??? The important qualifications are cutting the interest of seeking knowledge - but choose the path and practice - silence (no talking unnecessarily) no debates no intellual arguements. Seekers are not supposed to guide tell their experiences to fellow seekers. Speak only the Truth - Truth what they mean here what ones own experience.Not opinions not borrowed knowledge. Thoughts Speech Action should be the same. The path is not just sitting in meditation for half an hour but continously putting garbage in to the mind rest of the day Full concentration mindfulness of ones action every moment when in action work. ??? Actual spiritual life of monks can be learnt only if we have chance not just to interact but see how they live and spend time with them for couple of months. Indiscipline disobediance disrespectful words (bad words ) one will be thrown out. Daily routine. They dont emphasize or advice fast quick enlightenment. The emphasize is on purification-transformation of mind not just transcending the mind naturally. (Which is where differences come - dont get caught in purification trap - choose a middle path top down approach-bottom up aporoach etc) but neverthless I am ashamed of myself of where I am and where they are as a person and disciplined purified mind ????

My Father never encouraged me asking about his experiences.He would always say the below. Sharing mystical experiences can be obstacle to the seeker. Hearing reading that the mind will keep poping why this not happening to "me" that is not happening to "me". And the mystical experiences need not be identitical.And the final cannot be any how expressed. And what ever experiences mystical experiences or ordinary experiences are appearances and not truth. So once realized all said read heard will become clear. So any questions regarding the path and any doubts if one gets struck some where that alone need to be asked and answered.This is what I heard from not only from my Father but many realized. And borrowed knowledge experiences are not going to be useful to the seeker anyways. I was rebuked by few - are you interested in information gathering or walking the path. ???

@Aakash Yes.

@Aakash Creation survival destruction Again Creation protection destruction Cycle repeats But why the hell it is required putting all the poor creations into suffering ? No body knows.Enlightenment doesnt give any answer at all regarding creation.Purpose of creation life. Since there is no meaning - meaning is created to live.

@Key Elements Please do clarify this When I am myself goes ->I am all (everythingness>when I am everything goes > I am > when I am goes > Reality is. ???

@Schahin Dont reduce equate God to concious mind,subconcious mind etc. God is the totality of all creations. Entire universe is god.God alone exists.What ever you see hear touch is god. What it means there is no free will ? As a finite form body you are born - did you had any choice to take this birth as a human body male to a particular parents in a particular location with particular capabilities. Can you control or say what will be your next thought ? Do you have the choice to create your next thought ? Can you control the mechanisim of creation of thoughts ? Can you create anything any object any life out of nothing ? The body is just using all that is available in the creation. A tiny seed when planted sprouts in to a big tree ? The entire tree is contained in the tiny seed can you create a seed like that ? Even the illusion thought knowledge that i have the choice to decide is created - its not your(finite forms) creation. We as finite form are puppets - we dont have any control. Nothing is ours - all possessions all our capabilities knowledge - everything is Gods.God given.God gives God takes. Caution :- Now this shouldnt be taken as a means to escapism and go astray. Trust god have faith in god.Do your duties with the knowledge everything is happening - as per gods will.And surrender the results to god. Total Surrender - This is Bhakthi Marg. Take the best out of the four and practice what ever comes to you naturally. 1.Gnana 2.Bhakthi 3.Yoga - Asana,pranayama,prathyagara,Dharana 4.Karma yoga - selfless service to humanity what ever possible.(Service to humanity and all life forms - is service to God). The world is one family. Though on surface it appears the paths are different it leads to the same. ??? Ramana Maharishi though appears to be a Gnani - advocate of Gnana path was a greatest Bhakth.-Surrender and Vicharam both are adviced by Ramana Maharishi. Nisargadatta Maharajs - Just Gnana version of teaching is made popular he was Greatest Bhakth. Ramakrishna Paramahamsa - On surface appears to be greatest Bhakth - devotion - was greatest bhakth and Gnani. The path of bhakthi merges with gnana. The path of Gnana merges with Bhakthi in the end. Jaggi Vasudev on surface appears to be a Yogi says the easiest path is Bhakthi.But people dont have that absolute conviction understanding.

@Maya_0 ???

@Inliytened1 ??? Not yet ???

@Inliytened1 @AlwaysBeNice He he but very painful isnt it ? But who is that who wants to be loving.

@ValiantSalvatore All kind of acts of violence - Murder,rape,terrorism,violence,abuse,cheating which harm others physically,mentally is termed as sin. Regarding lust - It is attachment to sensual pleasure it is a necessary mechanism for pro-creation.So by itself it is neither good or bad.Only if one is attached addicted to lust - sex as a means of pleasure seeking like all other temporary sensual pleasure then it is considered a bondage.Seeing the opposite sex as object of pleasure is not expected from a Guru. From the standpoint of a Guru who is supposed to see everything as one - god if is still entangled in petty lust identifies himself as body and and abuses his position as a master and indulges in sexual activity with the faithful innocent disciples then it is pure cheating.Doing great dis-service,harm. How can such person who is deluded with lust,greed can consider himself qualified to impart Truth,selflessness,purity to the upliftment of fellow humans from bondage-suffering ? Regarding enlightenment - There are no stages.Either one is enlightened or not enlightened. There are only stages in transformation of mind. With true wisdom it is said comes true humility,love,peace,compassion,un selfishness,patience,tolerance and compassion to uplift the humanity. So how responsible the Guru should be in terms of living as an example his actions and teaching.Such high standards are mentioned expected as pre-requisites for a Guru. But if an enlightened decides not to take that responsibility and chooses to remain free - mostly they dont interact with world and remain secluded.They dont disclose their wisdom nor claim themselves to be Guru. Traditionally monks remain as brahmacharies for 12 years and only after careful observation Sanyas is offered only if their mind is pure.

@zeroISinfinity ???

@ValiantSalvatore @ValiantSalvatore Vasanas - desires - delusions.No proper purification of mind. Complete annihilation of vasanas of all kinds is needed. People who are deluded with lust and greed power name fame arent enlightened at all. The truth is realized but that doesnt mean Good and bad morality values arent required do what ever you want.No free will god is the doer so *you* are not responsible for your actions" - thats again conditioning trap delusion. The enlightened are no further deluded with illusions of good bad all are mental constructs yet their actions are authentic alert adhere to Dharma. Dont blindly accept trust anyone in human form. Purification of mind - annihilation of vasanas Matters a lot.Pre or post enlightenment.

@Yannik Low testosterone means ? What are the effects ? Take care of the body as well.Dont ignore your health.Take professional advice treatment.