Ayla

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VERY Important topic: Thoughts and Feelings. OK so.... First things first and disclaimer: "this is an I-friendly language" - meaning that I will use "I" (and any derivations: me you we etc) in non-dual terms except when otherwise specified. We've been doing it all "backwards" lol : trusting and engaging with thoughts, running away from (negative) emotions. Some of us know by now that Thoughts are not YOU. They come and they go. For those of you reading this that do not yet know this: please verify if the thought that you are having RIGHT NOW was there yesterday or 10 years ago. Is there something except another THOUGHT that gives it REALITY? Is there something else than a THOUGHT pointing to any YOU? this post might not be for you if you cannot grasp this information yet Back to those of us who are able to disengage from thoughts. There's a TRAP here Cause when MIND says that a THOUGHT is NOT REAL, it also tends to brush away the FEELING associated with the thought. That feeling right there, is what KEEPS the thought coming back. Actually, most of the time, the same thought comes back over and over again (sometimes about different people and situations), because it is somehow FUELED by a feeling. Body has stored some type of information by constricting or expanding some cells. When that energetical information is triggered, it will communicate to the neurons a way to "fire up" so that it has the same (type of) thought. So once you've dismissed a THOUGHT as NOT REAL and / or BAD, all you did was to DISSOCIATE mind from body. No further understanding/integration comes with this, only more frustration and more searching. So once you have found your way through dismissing thoughts, there's a "part two" that is CRUCIAL: feeling the emotion "underneath". Now I won't lie to you. Even though you are aware of it, even if you know and see it for what it is and are able to put a name on it, it WILL feel like what you ASSOCIATED IT WITH: fear, anger, sadness, jealousy, discontentment, etc. You will see that those LABELS will still try to stick to your actual experience, but if you just give attention to the PHYSICAL SENSATION and not to the THOUGHT, the "discomfort" will pas - or better said, what you will discover is that there is no discomfort. That physical sensation will reveal the thoughts you associated with it throughout your life. Once you truly are able to see thoughts are not true THROUGH feeling the sensations that bring them on, you're free

"I" "WAS" "THERE" for "YOU"

And right back at you !

@NutellaTC Yes. And vice-versa. Only problem is, nobody ever was able to do that for the long term (life). It's the YOU that is detaching from either that is the "issue"

Anyone who followed me for a while on this forum knows that the one breaking up the illusion for me was Mooji. One day, a thought came: "I want to meet him". Closed my eyes. His energy was there. Melting. Huge grin. So loving. What kinda surprised me (not really) was his message: "let me go" ... I had already seen through the illusion of "self". It was easy to understand that... nothing is MORE than nothing. No-body is more a guru than the next. Nobody is more wonderful than another. And...in the end........... nobody is special.

@Emerald Wilkins , I'd like to give my two cents also, even though enough has already been said in this post. First, try to let go of the "enlightenment" in front of those experiences. We don't care what they were or were not, as long as they were just that: experiences. Right? Second, I'd like to share with you the only words I could think of when I had my own realization. They never left me ever since, except when there was something coming up for integration that felt "louder". Here they are: Might be a good idea if you feel inspired to, to use them as a sort of a mantra when you become aware that mind is taking over. Third, please, don't take this so seriously... it will only add a pressure that is one of the main hindrances for SEEING. Last but not least, go inside. NOBODY has any answer for you. I'm sure that (intellectually) you already know why

@Beam , see if this post would help you?

Yes!

Inner Child...

Some or all of the exercises presented in this post might be of help when applied to your out situation and struggles:

@Ranz Kafka , people that are "liberated" ( I like this word better ) still experience all spectrum of emotions. The only difference is that they are aware that this is just life "being happened" and nobody is either the object or the subject of the happenings. Live your life. There's nothing "outside" of it.

A thought, is a byproduct of billions of converging factors, seemingly being focused in a certain time-space. A thought is never true or false. It is just a happening, a firing of neuronal paths that receive perpetual information giving rise to yet more information. What thoughts are about, is always an interpretation of a sort, and can be made true or false from different perspectives. Absolute truth is whatever IS (it is true just because it exists) Both thinking and awareness are mind concepts if they are presented in relation to "someone" thinking and being aware. But for the sake of understanding, let's say that awareness is "static", it just is and thoughts arise and dissolve from it, on it, in it. That's the best I can describe with words how it is seen here...

@electroBeam , my insight into indecisiveness is that it is a stalemate between right and left brain. Left brain is responsible with artistic, feminine, emotional side of brain. It also is the residence of your subconscious beliefs. Right brain is the one continuously trying to challenge through "outer input" and new experiences. The indecisiveness takes place when your inner (subconscious) beliefs are too powerful to let the new experiences transform them. So your current reality cannot override what you think about it. So in practical terms, ask yourself this question: "What would be so wrong if I did (or didn't do) whatever it is you're trying to decide upon". Be VERY aware and self honest with yourself and you will find that you have some classifications of good/bad that might be obsolete. Start with small things - like choosing to wear a shirt of a color you don't particularly enjoy, or the flavor of an ice-cream... etc. Your brain will register than nothing "fatal" will happen if you "choose wrongly". Also, ultimately, there is no YOU in there who chooses. The choosing just takes place through the firing of known neuronal paths. You aim is to challenge those paths by opening up to the existence of other possible paths.

Beautiful. Thank you for this.

@Kevin Dunlop, in neither of the circumstances was any YOU controlling or not controlling any of the experiences. BOTH states are just happenings in a body. The only difference is that in the second situation, mind has been AWARE of it. Mental constructs have received enough information and instructions to take another path and so to experience differently. All this, is due to billions of factors that have come together like in a dance, but there is and never was any "central unit" (you) experiencing it.

@FirstglimpseOMG What if... indeed

No. It exists in "ALL" of us as long as it is "OUT THERE" - again, in reality, there isn't any "all" and any "out there" in reality. What I would say though, is that you noticing it, it might indicate that that's something inside of your mental construct that needs healing. Depending on it's importance (gravity), you will see it on the screen (outside) more and more pronounced. In your country, in your state, in your town, in your neighborhood, in your house, in your own experience - and then you will be FORCED to heal it somehow. The sooner you get the message, it will manifest further and further and your attention will not go there anymore.

You MIGHT, but it will ONLY be yet another experience. The issue with affirmations is that the subconscious mind might have an inner programming that is much more powerful than affirmations from conscious mind. So it's like trying to pull a train with a horse

@Orange , what I mean, is the need to drop ALL stories: 1, 2, 2, 17...all of them. Oneness is not just a cute principle out there. It is LITERAL truth. "You" reading "my" words here now, is just an illusion you believe through programming and repetition of a false assumption. This is also the case with what you believe to be "time". Now if you sit down and drop all concepts of "outside of me" and "now/then". can you find something WRONG? Can you find any psychopaths? Any murderers? Cause if you can, they are also YOU (me). Your energy and attention and focus "feeds" that energy as if your brain would prepare it. So my invitation was to find out inside of the body-mind that you perceive yourself to be, where exactly the energy of a psychopath is lurking. Cause it is IMPOSSIBLE for it to be manifested "out there" and it not to be "in here". Think about it like this: there's a baby in the room and you are in charge of taking care of it. The only way for you to do this, is to watch a screen where the baby is filmed 24/24 from all angles. When you see something on that screen (what you perceive as the outer world), it is ONLY because the baby is doing that thing (inner world). So, the question you should ask yourself is not if something is "bad" but if you can find it and heal it inside of yourself. Here is how I currently see things in terms of good/bad etc: in order for the reality to remain grounded and stable, we need some SOLID NO's - which are like walls that box us in ( NO to kill, NO to rape, etc) MAYBE YES and MAYBE NO - are like doorways: I might say no to something that SERVES MY SPIRITUAL GROWTH FOR NOW, which I would not keep as a SOLID NO for the rest of my life ( doing a 9 to 5 job for example ) The YES is like an open window, like the acceptance and willingness for all there is, as it is, right now. YES to every opportunity that point out inside of me where the crime comes from, where the violence comes from, the hunger, the abuse.... everything. Here's some videos that might assist further : https://youtu.be/rIi4ijet_FE https://youtu.be/DS3cEW0c3og

@Emerald Wilkins Hehe.. Thanks. You too

Sure, but can you find within YOURSELF an instance where you behave like one? We're not here to analyze dis-ease, but to find a solution, right? I know it is HARD to think of it that way. To understand, I'll give you an example. I recently watched the movie "Earthlings" - have you seen it? I REALLY had to sit down and look deeply within myself for all that cruelty and that lack of humanity. I did find it, buried in family lineage and past stories, at my own small level, but the energy was there in need of healing. If you are totally present in the now, and do not have any judgement about what happened in the past and do not project any future desires, can you find something wrong with your experience? RIGHT NOW? Take a honest look. For all your other questions, I only have ONE answer. It is not important that you figure out the outer world. You figure yourself out. Find out what is inside of you. Nothing is as important. All else are just reflections of humanity's unintegrated shadow. I was there myself at one point. Then I understood that thoughts are just yet another construct of billions of external factors that has nothing to do with me.

From my own perspective, I can give you some insights, just chose whatever resonates with you. Morality - is a mind construct. There's no such thing. Also, what you perceive as "others" is not there either. What you might mean is the human "pull" or drive to respect and love other beings. That, is inherent in ANY human being. It has been extensively studied, and one of the results for example is that, without exception, a human being's FIRST reaction to another's pain, is to help. Mind often comes immediately after and "rationalizes" the non-help. First category is called "heroes" - they just didn't listen to their minds telling them they shouldn't or couldn't do the act of helping. Aggressiveness is not a life force, it is a form of acute lack of awareness and giving into mind constructs of past/future. That being said, these are just both faces of ourselves: the "I" ( the one we perceive ourselves to be ) and the "non-I" (the shadow, or the aspects of ourselves that we perceive SO bad, that they have been pushed into the unconsciousness). As long as both are not integrated and loved, as long as there isn't acceptance for both, our inner demons will keep appearing in the outer world. Awareness is the first step. Compassion is the next. Love is the ultimate. Hope that helps a bit

Imagine that you go to the cinema and pick a movie. If the movie is cute and pleasant and you love it, you stay until the end. Then you go home. If movie gets too heavy, violent, aggressive, etc, you CAN decide to leave, knowing that it is only a movie. Which of these two is better? None. It is like it is.

@Travis , what comes up here is that every human being is here to somehow grow and expand. Once you have grown to a level of personal development that suits you, for SOME, it becomes obvious that that's not what their being was calling upon. (deep unshaken happiness). For those, Truth becomes the only way to still grow and expand. For others, that is largely enough to be happy and fulfilled. In that sense, enlightenment is not for everyone. If you start doing enlightenment work when you are not ready for it, it tends to disturb all the layers of your life and get you so low and discouraged, that you are most likely to give it up exactly when you're supposed to push through. Searching for Truth isn't a mental agenda. It is a deep inner calling similar to thirst. Nothing else will satisfy you. So, take things slowly. Let yourself be guided towards whatever best suits you at this time.