Devansh Saharan

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  2. Posted

    I see this coming out a lot, there are individualities to be broken beyond the body and mind. 

    That's the whole point of attaining  liberation,Moksha, so that you don't have to do this again and again.

    Else if you were to just die and that's it, then it wouldn't have been a problem, lets just happily wait for death but that's not so. 

    Sadhguru is a sorta a trusted source here so if you were to just go by what he says about himself and his life and lives, then you would know what's this is about.

    Dhyanalinga was all about this, Sadhguru had to take birth 2 times for him to complete its consecration. 

    See this video, sadhguru talks about this very often and so does Advaita. 

    About Dhayanalinga. 

     

  3. Posted · Edited by Devansh Saharan

    Everything set up as said.

    Started, after about 5-7 minutes I started having a lot of tingling in my hands, by 10 minutes I had severe pain and tension in both my arms(particularly in wrist and palm) . But I continued till like 20 min when I could no longer bear the pain. It took 10 minutes for the pain to fade and about an hour for me to return to normal motion, my hands were trembling a lot. 

    Same thing happened today. 

    Is there something I can try? 

    Also I've been reading about hyperventilation and how it stops blood flow to brain, is there anything to worry about? 

  4. Posted

    20 minutes ago, Salvijus said:

    I feel like he really went deep here but you missed most of it :D if you want to understand what sadhguru is saying then you need to know what is karma and what is liberation. Only then you'll understand what sadhguru is telling you when he says " if you think you're going to get Liberated by psychedelics, Best of Luck."

    His answer has nothing to do with the audience in this case. 

    Even if he spoke with monks he would still say the same thing that psychedelics play no role in dissolution. It becomes very logical and clear once you dive deeper into sadhguru's teachings. 

    It's okey... There was one joke sadhguru told about Fish smell and vasanas. First time i read it it was about 2years ago and yesterday I was waking the dog and it suddenly hit me, I saw the point of that joke so clearly. :D i thought.. Damn sadhguru is genius. That's how he teaches. Once he says something even if you don't understand anything the seed is in you. One day when the time is right it will sprout into huge wisdom. 

    "If you get the joke you laugh, if you don't get the joke, you become a part of the joke" #sadhguru

     

     

     

    Indeed, he really is beyond, the subtle things he says, subtle statements which we can just take for common good old wisdom at first have such profound meanings. 

    Yes I intend to really go deep into Karma, but for now I have limited my theoretical intake, it's just been too much. 

    Thanks for the insights. 

  5. Posted

    56 minutes ago, Chi_ said:

    Thank you for sharing this.

    Honestly speaking I'm not in a position to speak for either of the sides (Sadhguru's or Psychedelics) as I'm neither enlightened nor an experienced Psychonaut.

    However having said that, the chances of Sadhguru advocating for Psychedelics is super low even if it could have some benefit becauce he is looking at the big picture always when he is talking given that he is definitely a great example of Turquoise. 

    He is a very socially aware person than most of us. He always speaks according to where the current society is at. If he does advocate for Psychedelics in the current society (which is mostly at Blue / Orange) in the world, it will not play well. If Sadhguru was speaking to a Yellow or higher audience, I think he will definitely talk about this differently. His words could affect thousands of people so he chooses them wisely.

    Mystics always are in tune with their times.

    Finally I am also not dismissing the idea that his actual knowledge of Psychedelics might be very limited but I am going with my first opinion 

    Yes, very well put. 

    Also the thing is in all of Spirituality, as in a traditional sense the only goal is Moksha, Liberation, and the way sadhguru explains about Karma, it looks like its way more than just your mind, and I believe there are levels of individuality beyond your body and mind, as the 5 Koshas that Sadhguru explains, and to transcend them you need to do the stuff, the necessary Sadhana. 

    Nonetheless we don't know what exactly is Sadhguru's perspective in its totality on this matter, all we can do is maybe have both and see for ourselves. 

  6. Posted · Edited by Devansh Saharan

    Yesterday Sadhguru had a Mahasatsang in Delhi, I was present there, towards the end of the questionnaire, a meditator asked about psychedelics and ayahuasca retreats. 

    Sadhguru made 3 basic points as far as I can remember (when comes to naming he just named LSD, I believe its very well possible he isn't aware of 5-Meo's existence) 

    1. The high is always on and off, what you seek by psychedelics is just the high and you try the justify it in the same way any alcoholic would, "see I'm always high, no chemicals". He was very much against chemicals in every way and said that its all physical no matter what. What we're talking of is transcending it. 

    2. He said there will be consequences of this, he didn't mention what though. 

    3. And lastly he said if you think you're going to get Liberated by psychedelics, Best of Luck. 

    So yeah, thought I should share this. 

    Edit :

    He also said another thing and he says this many times that if you use chemicals the next generation is going to be 'lesser' than you, which is a crime against humanity. Now I don't how what exactly he means but probably he's referring to some kind of genetic changes I believe. 

  7. Posted

    2 hours ago, LastThursday said:

    Think to yourself: how lucky I am for doing this now instead of next year.

    Ahh, that's good to think of. 

     

    3 hours ago, Inliytened1 said:

    @Devansh Saharan two points for the ego! It strikes again.  But yeah to echo what others said be present.  If you get lost in the past you are getting lost in delusion.   Notice something miraculous happens when you are just being....not only do regrets or the past not bother you..they're not even real.  They don't exist unless you are thinking about them!  They aren't Actual.  

    If only just being was that easy. 

     

    4 hours ago, Organica said:

    I've had similar experiences. I've come to believe that we do what we can, when we can, with the tools and knowledge we have at that given time. Maybe you needed to learn/evolve/mature before being able to take this step. Maybe you need to spend time working through this regret to get to the next step. I believe that even what seems like 'wasted time' is necessary on our journey.

    Yes, I've come to the same. I think now the best I can do of fasten my pace and involve myself more to make up for what's gone. 

    Thanks

  8. Posted

    OK time wasted is time gone, no problem nothing can be done now, more you'll think about that wastage more you'll waste and so on and so on.

    But when I make good choices, when start working on, in very subtle ways and very subtle decisions do so, everything is fine. Then this Immense wave of regret kicks in for me, that things are working good now and maybe the decisions I made now could've been made a month, 6 months, an year ago. Its really, simply depressing and no matter what logic and explanations I impose on myself I just can't stop this. 

    What should I do? 

  9. Posted

    Now this is just a intellectual conclusion from my side from all the stuff I've come across till date. 

    As God is infinitely loving, infinitely good, infinitely ecstatic. Maybe, we like these qualities over their "negative" counter parts, because that's our nature, love is our true nature, its what we are, when we experience these emotions to their fullest, maybe we are experiencing our true self, we're resonating with it, that's why we value them over the negative stuff. 

    Now that's just something I've come up with, after questioning the same thing. 

  10. Posted

    7 minutes ago, Inliytened1 said:

    @Devansh Saharan but what is interesting is that without Awakening you will never understand science at the highest level.  

    For example you will be baffled by the relative nature of light as both a wave and a particle depending on perspective.  

    You will get there through mathematics and pure genius..but the mystic that studies science will have a true grasp even without the details of the math - which there is no doubt takes brilliance.

    That's why science and spirituality must one day unite and transcend today's science.

     

    Let's see. I'm on the path. 

  11. Posted

    8 minutes ago, Jkris said:

    @Devansh Saharan 

    Why I am going to school college ? Why should  I study ?

    What if I die before completing my studies ?????

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    Spiritually gifted - Grace of the divine.

    Ramana Maharishi - had intense fear if death for no reasons and his sense of self vanished when he attempted to enquire what is death.

    Eckhart Tolle was deeply suffering from depression wanted to commit suicide and the sense of self vanished.

    Ramana Maharishi or Tolle never strived for liberation by grace it happened to them.

    Nisargadatta Maharaj's Guru said you are not this finite human.Attend the sense if self or IAM.He didnt ask any questions ? Why should I pursue spirituality ? What I will gain ? What if I die ? Is that waste of time ?

    Thats divine grace of acceptance of Gurus words.He trusted his gurus words sincerely practiced and realized truth.

    The purpose of life is realizing the hide and seek game of god playing on himself.Its called leela in Hinduism.

    Its worth the effort.Even if you die the karma wont go waste.If not in this life  next life you will realize truth.

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    Atleast yoga meditation will give you good mental and physical health.

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  13. Posted · Edited by Devansh Saharan

    10 minutes ago, Jkris said:

    @Devansh Saharan Dear Moksha liberation God Realisation Self Realisation all are one and the same.

    For some gifted like Ramana Maharishi,Eckhart Tolle it happened with out any effort.

    For some it happens fast like Nisargadatta Maharaj - 3 years.But three years of long duration meditation.

    For Rupert Spira after 20 years.

    Many dont realize at all.

    But dont worry about the results and keep doing the practice with burning desire for liberation.

    No body knows when it will happen.

    All the very best.

    And what if I die before that?

    And what exactly is being Spiritually gifted? 

  15. Posted

    5 hours ago, Rilles said:

    He wants you to do Inner Engineering so he can get some ₹ ka-ching :D

    Already did it, what's next? 

     

    19 minutes ago, Chi_ said:

    What do you think about his programs personally? Have you tried it? 

    I personally am doing it right now along with a Isha Hatha Yoga practice and it has directly worked for me as I am definitely more conscious. I want to know maybe another perspective about it from you 

    How long have you been doing it? In what ways more conscious? What about mind chatter? 

     

    4 hours ago, Salvijus said:

     

    I don't want moksha, I just want understanding, knowledge of the world. Even in this video Sadhguru doesn't tell a bit of how, just continue my practises and suddenly one day I'll realise I'm God, wow, firstly millions of people around the globe have done IE, I don't know how many of them realised.

    Other than that I'm pretty sure if I go at this pace I'll surely become a devil because being a God seems unreachable. 

    4 hours ago, Aeris said:

    Why would I become more loving and compassionate.

    I m not sure that being aware has precise features. It's like psychédélics tools. Very relative experience. Relative result

     

    Exactly. It looks as if I'm being tricked into serving the world for fucking no reason. I would love being loving and compassionate, but forcing myself in that I don't see why I would do that or pretend to do that. 

    4 hours ago, Leo Gura said:

    His versions of yoga. He has a bunch of programs.

     

  16. Posted

    What exactly does Sadhguru wants us to Do to realise ourselves, does he want us to do self-enquiry, does he want me to just continue my kriya and wait, what exactly should we do according to him to get the answers?

    Now. I'm realising even after watching hundreds of his videos I still don't know what to do according to him, there's just no How, absolutely nothing, maybe just a hint or 2 doing self-enquiry and kriyas, NOTHING ELSE, NOTHING and since I've been initiated into a kriya by him it becomes important to know what does he want me to do. So what have you been able to make out of his talks, what should I do? 

  17. Posted · Edited by Devansh Saharan

    On 20/05/2019 at 1:05 PM, purerogue said:

    Sadhguru is alright, unfortunately his videos lack depth of letting listeners understand what he is talking about.

    I would suggest for you to listen to J. Krishnamurti, go to channel made for him and start from bottom , you will find more in there if you are willing to actually follow what he is saying and not just follow, try it and question what he is saying while listening to him, amazing man I tell you .  

     

    I agree, if someone isn't following someone other than Sadhguru in consciousness work, Sadhguru says a lot less but he definitely says what is needed. He has said several times that why he does that it because it isn't anyhow useful in you true growth, you'll just end up imagining stuff. 

    But if you're following other stuff then what he says becomes even more profound from what I've found. 

    JK is a true intellectual GOD. Sadhguru recently talked about JK where he said after his short encounter with his material how it changed him and how when his daughter's schooling time came she was sent to a JK school, but he said that people who can make true growth from intellectual teaching of JK are very rare, like fewer than a few thousand in entire world and they probably won't be interested in spirituality in presence of science. 

  18. Posted

    2 hours ago, SQAAD said:

    @Serotoninluv Everytime turn around i see something wrong. Life is overly complicated and confusing. Being a dog would be better.

    One person says you should A, another one says you should do B . It is very difficult to get to the truth of things. For some reason God wants to make it extremely difficult for most human beings to bear this life. 

    Yea you're right. One article lead me to another and now i have to deal with the terrible scientific facts.

    Most people are unconscious to the suffering of others. If you are mentally & physically healthy and most things goes your way it is very easy to be happy. The struggle is when you have to deal with bs health problems day in and day out or other problems that seriously diminish the quality of your life and can't get rid off.

    I can feel you, like really really closely. 

    2 hours ago, SQAAD said:

    @Devansh Saharan I watch Mark Freeman's videos on YouTube. He has OCD and gives solid advice.

    After watching him i try to avoid doing the compulsions (for me is more mentally checking until i feel sure about a topic). It is very difficult to stop doing the compulsions but it can be done... Meditation also helps.

    Good luck buddy, i feel for you.

    Sure, will check it out. 

  19. Posted

    I do have a lot of concentration issues, a lot in fact. But when it comes to learning and memory I don't think I fall behind anyhow, definitely I believe that I'm not able to perform as good as I can due to my compulsions, both physical and mental. So yeah, for me concentration issues are a thing. 

    Do you do something to deal with compulsions, or any other things that come with OCD. I was diagnosed and put on Escitalopram, but I put it off after a month as I had no benefit from it, further I learnt that extended usage of SSRI's isn't good for brain, as I'm only 15 I don't have any plan do be on meds for the rest of my life, so discontinued them, so any personal tips would be appreciated(maybe PM me) . 

    Thanks. 

     

  20. Posted

    4 hours ago, Nahm said:

    It sounds like you have somehow managed to wrap your meditation practice around thoughts. As if they’re the theme, or star of the show, to be “controlled / observed”, or focused on.  Consider thoughts are stars, and meditation helps you to realize you are the night. 

    Be aware of breathing from your stomach. Thoughts arise and you notice your attention shifted from stomach breathing to thought story...just return your attention to breathing from your stomach. 

    If you feel overwhelmed, stop, breathe, relax, and write about the sensations you’re feeling on paper. Do this very slowly. Aim to articulate more and more refined. You’ll discover the commonality of specific sensations, and links to your past will be revealed. Links as in, sensations + memories are a match to the sensation you’re currently experiencing in the meditation. As you read, understanding is present, and mis-contextualized emotional responses which were overrode are released. 

    Sometimes allowing the repressed emotions to surface can be scary - because thinking kicks in with a thought story. Your practice of stomach breath focus comes in handy...as the aim is to let the emotions out, without getting sucked into a narrative via thinking. 

    Meditation is breath, focus, purification. Thought has nothing to do with meditation. If you go to the doctor’s with a flu, you go to be without flu. You don’t go to focus on the flu. 

     

    Thanks a lot, I can relate and will try in my kriya. I don't know why but it feels like it'll help. ☺ 

    4 hours ago, mandyjw said:

    Focus on having more thoughts that you want to have. 

    Rainbows.

    Unicorns.

    Cotton candy.

    Sunsets.

    Insights.

    Understanding.

    Intuition.

     

    K, I'll try that more throughout day, better than having unwanted thought.

    6 hours ago, abrakamowse said:

    @Devansh Saharan  In my case mindful meditation helped me a lot. Leo has a video about it.

    What you do is you observe everything that arises but you don't try to interpret it. You just say the sense that you use to see that movement around you. For example, if you hear a sound... you just think "hearing" or "listening". So you don't focus on the thinking or on interpretations.

    This IMO creates an habit in the mind and it is easier for you to let go of thoughts. If while meditation you have  a thought about something like "I have something to do" or "this is good or bad"... just say "thinking" without paying attention to the content of the thought.

    That helped me a lot, but the thought machine will keep running always. You need it. Thought is good for practical things, like everyday tasks, the only problem is not good for understanding reality.

    Use it with caution.

    hehehe..

     

     

    Okay, I'll try to do so, but it's hard not to label them, it just happens automatically

    I guess it'll take some time, cause I would say till now I haven't continued it over a period of time. 

    9 hours ago, Rilles said:

     

     

  21. Posted

    1 hour ago, Rilles said:

    Trying to surrender is not surrendering. See the problem here? 

     

    For real though, Leo has a Guided Meditation, check that out, its really helpful.

    I'll check that out. 

     

    1 hour ago, Rilles said:

    Resist! Thats the only way to learn that resistance is futile. :P

    I've learnt it's futile cause it freakin doesn't work, for me personally, it makes me go crazy. 

  23. Posted

    It's like, I'm still at the bottom. I still don't feel like I've made any growth in what we call the basic meditation or controlling / observing your thoughts, I'm still completely bothered by them. I have watched hundreds of videos on the topic, now I'm doing my Shambhavi Mahamudra kriya, but I still just can't deal with them, it's always on, and I believe 90% of my confusion originate from this chatter, but at the same time I value this thought process of mine, all of my ideas ,understanding I believe stem from these very thoughts, what should I do, just what to do, how to just be an observer to these thoughts as they say? 

  25. Posted

    7 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

    @purerogue That's cause Sadhguru's a good guru. Which is precisely why he's so dangerous for his followers.

    No matter how much he tells them not to worship him, that will only make them worship him more.

    It's like telling a girl you don't like her. She will only get more attracted.

    And if you tell a girl "I'm never having sex with you." She will only want to have sex with you all the more.

    Reverse psychology 101 ;)

    Indeed. Sadhguru has said numerous times that you just have to use him as a tool forward, nothing else. But yeah as you said it's really easy to fall into the Guru vs You duality, i fact I would say I'm pretty much affected. Thanks Leo, this was certainly really helpful and I'll keep that in mind. 

     

    16 minutes ago, purerogue said:

    Sadhguru himself said that devotion is good starting point if you want, but it can't get you to the end.

    Personally think that people who chose devotion have very huge problems to get out of it afterwards. 

    Indeed getting out of it by that time would be too much of a thing, as far as I'm aware of the IYC dynamics, Sadhguru is GOD. In fact my IE(inner-engineering) teacher always said all that he has experienced and happening is due to Sadhguru and you could see devotion spilling out of him. So yeah, gotta beware of that. 

     

    13 hours ago, mandyjw said:

    There's a really powerful collective energy that comes from having a crowd of people with one intention. That's the reason some people love going to concerts so much. It's easy to tap into energy from an awakened person. 

    Sadhguru isn't there in person, and I'm pretty sure 90% of the people when they come there have no idea what they're into.