Inliytened1

@jbram2002 just depends on what your definition of enlightenment is. There is only One Truth I consider Awakening or Enlightenment as having a mystical experience in which you become conscious of all facets of God. God, Love, Intelligence and the becoming conscious of the nature of all of existence or your true nature. I believe after that you need to deepen your enlightenment with continued work. The more conscious you become the closer you get to this place of Permanent Liberation. It's when you are somehow able to be both you and the Absolute at the same time. An abiding non-dual state. I only recently became conscious that this is possible as i have been raising my consciousness. There is not a lot of research on Permanent Awakening yet that's why i think Leo hasn't commented about it. But i consider Leo enlightened based on my definition. But then again you are Leo and Leo is you. And there is no Leo. There is only One.

@Ponder Ponder what have you become conscious of during your mystical experiences? Did you experience bliss? For me Absolute Love = God so when I've had my experiences i felt how powerful Absolute Love is.

@DrewNows its all relative in the end.

@zeroISinfinity i felt a massive force it was terrifying and beautiful simultaneously. I think it was all of Infinity. The godhead. I did not surrender..but i was weeping and screaming like a little baby. And it has me blissing out today.

I don't know but i wish there were more. I had a mystical experience today and im still feeling the bliss sensation. I see everything as One so crystal clear its heart wrenching. And i can make the shift in consciousness between the finite and the infinite.

@theking00 it's one of the most profound. Like he so eloquently says "Your Mind is a Self Deception Machine" We don't need Descarte's evil demon. We have our own mind.

@Truth Addict intelligence and love just ARE. We give them the names intelligence and love but those are just words. These are fundamental facets of Infinity. That's why we call them Absolutes.

@Truth Addict im telling you how it is man. You don't have to trust me and shouldnt. Like Leo says. Discover it for yourself

Here's a good way to describe it. It is Absolute Love. Thats literally what it feels like.

@Mikael89 like i said there are no words really to describe the feeling but its Bliss.

i would have thought the same thing honestly if i wasn't blindsided. This stuff is so radical it is mind blowing. But that's God. That's infinity. Its insane.

@Truth Addict its all good in the hood. maybe i was a little too hard on him this morning. But i wasn't assuming. He explained that his idea of enlightenment was via use of reason and logic. And its just not the case. He also views Truth as Leo's religion. And l i think a lot of you guys might feel that way deep down and its trapping you

@Mikael89 its like a tingling feeling all thru your body but its not tingling exactly because it feels fuller

@Mikael89 it's really hard to describe. But its Being.

@Inliytened1 and the melting dissolving feeling is there in both experiences. Its bliss. Its still in me now. I refer to that feeling as Being.

@Monkey-man thats a great question. Ive had different experiences. Some are like the one i had 45 min ago where it is a massive force and u don't want to surrender to it. Other times your just there..in a non-dual state with the melting dissolving feeling and fully conscious of God as God.

@David Hammond someone having another melt down? I know it sounds insane but its real.

@David Hammond I'm liberated. I had an experience come on about 30 min ago. It was the first one I've had since my awakening. Probably from talking about this stuff 24/7 its been opening me up. I have been feeling in tune with Being the last few days. Energy moving through me. It was a massive force that filled my entire body. I started to cry because i didnt want to surrender it was such a powerful force. So i didn't surrender..but i feel Being alive in me now.

@David Hammond im not talking about the content within reality...we can all go out and become great scientists..explore every aspect of the universe...move up the stages in Spiral dynamics...etc.. I'm talking about if you want enlightenment. You cannot use reason and logic as it couched inside reality. It is a finitude of infinity or God. To reach liberation you must become the Absolute. You must become a mystic. Reality is a mechanical as I've said before. It is fundamentally mystical in nature.

@David Hammond rationalism is a finitude of Inifnity you can not grasp the infinite with the finite. Try and grasp that.

@David Hammond can u please stop littering my thread. We don't care anymore.

@Conrad @zeroISinfinity Bask in the splendor of God.

@Truth Addict no..he's saying I'm the one deluded and that this is all a fabrication of my mind and that i need shadow work to fix it. Shadow work, like meditation, I'm sure helps to find Truth. But i don't have a delusion here..Truth is Truth. That's all I'm going to say on this. Its not something that can be proven to you guys. You have to discover it for yourselves.

@zeroISinfinity @zeroISinfinity Yes you do need the maps. You just have to understand its not the territory.

@David Hammond good luck friend.