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@Umar_uk no he's a dual snob. And pointing it out is a not a dual crime. Get it right.

@whoareyou why are you so obsessed with Ball? Why not do the practices and discover for yourself? Getting caught up in any one so called guru can trap you in this work.

Yeah, and i think if one gets caught up in the idea in trying to conceptualize Awakening by putting it into little categories or binary ones and zeroes they may actually bottleneck themselves in this work. Just has to happen.

@whoareyou so i thought our discussion on this notion of permanent enlightenment was interesting. The more i reflect I'm my own enlightenment i can tell you that the shift into where the non-dual awareness is the background, which is where i am at now, and it is liberating - even that didn't come in one flash moment. It's like the cumulation of all the experiences and then gradually over time it develops. Is that kind of what you were saying? I think that the only difference in our views is that i don't put classifications on any of it. I mean dying even once and coming back to me is eniightenment.

What type of techniques have you been practicing currently'?

@Freyah no mortal can. It cuts though the ego with the sharpest of knives. One might forgive but to love unconditionally is another matter altogether.

This shall come with consciousness of Oneness and not before. It is the unity of the form and the formlessness. It is pure consciousness.

@Freyah Regardless of what he said this is what Unconditional or Absolute Love is. Can you love those individuals? Answer Honestly.

He's you teaching yourself

@Dylan Page it isn't his. It just Is.

@DrewNows i immediately thought the same. Roosevelt. A great quote.

I don't think anyone stated that Love for your child was not Love. But its only a part of the whole. Absolute or Unconditonal Love is exactly what it implies. If a gang of individuals broke into your home, raped you, and murdered your child could you love them? One must move past the ego for that.

@Peo its the real deal. You had a glimpse of the Absolute which raised your consciousness. Keep going. You are spiritually gifted so do not think it has to take years for everyone.

@mandyjw of course. Fear is deeply rooted in uncertainty, which ultimately is the fear of death of the self. It's perfectly normal. One can overcome it though spiritual practice which will ultimately lead to the discovery that you are God. This, as has been stated before, comes with a slow increase in consciousness after multiple awakening experiences. When you have the ultimate highest realization of Oneness. Where the form and the formless become identical to you. You will be fully conscious that you cannot die. That you have complete certainty because it is you that created this whole thing. You are infinity itself. You are the dreamer dreaming this dream. You are the creator and there is nothing left to fear. Fear is a duality and it will collapse when you become conscious of this. It will take time. Take time to meditate and this will come to pass. You already have the gift. I can intuit that.

@Peo indeed you are NOT deluded. Do not let your ego come in there and wreak havoc. Well done sir! Have you had a mystical experience yet?

@tedens that would be a hell of a thing

@whoareyou didn't think so. Because you can't answer simple questions.

@whoareyou no..you thought there is this moment where OMG i am actually enlightened happens! Because it's a fantasy in your mind. Have you had any direct mystical experiences and if so what did they reveal? I'm asking another legit question too. And you failed to answer my last.

@whoareyou if you can't see that by now you are blind.

Let me ask you this. Can you master your emotions and take emotions out of the equation and just Be in meditation for an hour a day? Free of expectation? Can you do that?

@whoareyou that's not what you were saying. You were implying that earlier experiences compared to latter ones were not enlightenment. I am saying they all cause shifts in consciousness. So no shift is greater than another.

@whoareyou one thing to add though..the difference is you never come back down the same. So when you have the higher realizations your consciousness shifts. So the later shifts that bring you to liberation were the result or combination of the earlier shifts. Thats why they are all One and Enlightenment is One thing. Hope that makes sense.

@tedens we can have our own perspective. That is the. beauty. I give each deep experience/realization equal value as i have experienced it directly.

@whoareyou yes there is a point where that shift happens. Your right.

@whoareyou There isn't this one moment when all of a sudden as you put it 'actual enlightenment" happens. There is no such thing. Its a slow expansion of consciousness through becoming the Absolute.