Inliytened1

I agree that when sages throw out comments like "you are already enlightened" that this is half ass and irresponsible. You have to discover that you are God directly.

@Aakash yes - that is exactly how society must move forward. We must create objectivity within subjectivity through consensus. The most conscious beings can guide the lesser conscious and help them to awaken as well. No one is disputing that. But we have bigger fish to fry then deciding the "Absolute" definition of enlightenment is. This is not at the top of my priory list

@Aakash its just the age old discussion of the relative definition of enlightenment. Relative definition #1 - you already are Truth/God thus you are already enlightened. This definition says you are enlightened because you are already Truth. Relative definition #2 - enlightenment is not that you are Truth - but that it is the discovery that you are Truth. Turning in on yourself as you say. Becoming conscious that you are consciousness. So there is no wrong or right here She is embodying pure love therefore is embodying Truth without knowing she is Truth. So wouldn't it depend on your definition of enlightenment here.... Personally i subscribe to the 2nd definition. Although many use the first. But i think it's a key distinction.

So you are saying have a hybrid - ensure all people have health care but let people keep their private insurance... More of the type of policy that Delaney says he wants to put in place. What benefits would a person have by keeping their private insurance though? Perhaps better benefits? I think we would need to see his plan in detail...a lot of politicians claim they have these big plans already worked out but then they don't share the details. Also just so you know that i have always been a conservative - i make plenty of money and have my own private health insurance. But since having awakening experiences i now have compassion for all so i would be willing to give up my private health insurance if it would benefit the collective. I'm leaning back towards the left now. But i don't see a problem with a hybrid plan either provided it worked and provided benefits on both sides. Most conservatives are stage orange conscious wise so they are gonna reject Bernie's as too radical..they're not that evolved yet.

@wavydude that was a good response. @tatsumaru yes you should be skeptical.. But at the same time curious and open minded. Have you had an awakening experience that reveals the nature of all of reality being pure consciousness yet? Because once you realize via direct experience that reality is fundamentally mystical, all kinds of new doors open to you. The materialist paradigm dissolves. If one is still stuck in the materialist paradigm than these things are not going to be remotely possible to them.

If that's the case they are not fully aware that they are God and are not conscious of Oneness. Yes, everything is Love - but mass killings are a very limited selfish unconscious form of love. Someone that is conscious of Absolute Love will work towards reducing unconsciousness. That's part of what Leo calls conscious politics. We can't just sit back and do nothing while unconsciousness (devilry) runs rampant in our country. That's like saying it's Ok for Hitler to do what he did because it was Love. Yes it was Love, but it was unconscious limited Love not Absolute conscious Love so it needs to be stopped.

Precisely. Btw did you have any realizations during your mystical experience of pure Being?

Do both. Self inquiry is crucial to awakening because it allows you to become directly conscious of your true nature. And that is paradigm shattering so be ready

@RendHeaven you're finite. By design. That only happens in a state of pure Being. Pure Infinity.

@Inliytened1 i just edited that post sorry for butchering it there is an issue on my mobile phone where i can't remove quotes.

@RendHeaven that's correct. When you are being you..guess what? You ain't being God. Thats the point of being you!...you will feel the dream..as you should. But...there is a non-dual awareness that develops with Oneness that allows you to be conscious in the backround of Truth. This will deepen with time. The trick is going meta and shifting to it. You cant be both simultaneously. Ya just can't.

You are in a dream. Everything that is happening is a dream or a hallucination. Including physical death. This becomes evident when you awake - consciousness is Infinite.. Death is a dualistic illusion. God/Infintiy It has nowhere to go. When you awake you awaken to yourself as God and the illusion is no more. The illusion of form dissolves. You awaken to yourself as Infinite Consciousness which cannot die. Only that which you create through your dreams can die.

@AlldayLoop it is. That's the example of all examples because you become conscious of Oneness and Absolute Love. You are God and therefore everything and everyone is you - so you love them.

Once you have a mystical experience of the Absolute this will no longer be a question. You have to escape the realm of the relative to realize Absolutes.

Keep meditating. To be truly conscious that you are infinity will liberate you.

You're God to the tee! You confuse the crap of us! Just kidding..i get ya..i really do

Take out your hand and choose a finger to focus on. Become conscious it is the finger. Now shift your consciousness. Look at the finger again but shift and expand it. See the finger as the entire hand but do not remove your gaze from the finger. Just become conscious that it is the whole hand. That is universal consciousness. You are both the finger and the hand simultaneously.

True Personality = ego - devil. Have fun taking the devil out of the ego and leaving pure Love and creativity. You'll need an awakening.

@outlandish you may be romanticizing your past. Making it out to be much better than it really was from your present. It's just a concept in your mind now and your ego will try to torture you with the map and not the territory. Not that it wasn't good - but your mind only remembers the good. When it happens try to bring yourself back to the present - because that's all you have. The rest is illusion.

You would need an awakening to Oneness. You could still do it but you would be tricking yourself the entire time.

Thats what i was referring to as well. Going to bars for beers and pickup. After becoming conscious of certain "Absolutes" this becomes meaningless. Relativity aside you will become more conscious and look for deeper connections to reality.

@Joseph Maynor Oh the secret weapon - relativity - well done

Actually no that's still being the ego. Once you reach a certain state of consciousness certain things become meaningless.

@mandyjw if you were conscious that you were all of reality would that bring you value?

@Aakash it's just a complete understanding of everything simultaneously and instantaneously. Language doesn't do it justice.