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@Schahin as a human you are in a limited form. You're a smaller mind within the larger Mind. You are a particular finite form - so as this finite form, for you everything is relative. Free will is relative. For example if you believe you can go out into the world and make a difference in it you can. If you believe everything is hopeless and you have no control over anything than that's gonna be reality relative to you. Yes your will is still limited - Obviously you can't will the coffee table into a cat because that is the larger, Infinite Mind and you are a mind within that.

@Dragallur PM to discuss further.

Unlimited. Meaning it could collapse into any possibility.

Well in a sense look at it this way...it is probabilities. With the dice there is a finite probability 1 in 6. But with the Quantum experiments it is infinite probability. Thus there is this field of infinite probability - in reality it's not even a field - its formless or pure potential.

@Pouya exactly.

Good point. If i did not awaken perhaps i would. You are right in that you should not take other's words for Truth.

@Dragallur that's where i bring you back to spirituality...some of these founding fathers may have gone on to become mystics ..if you meditate and do the practices you can actually discover directly that reality is fundamentally mystical. All logic is contained within. But again, don't believe me - don't take it as dogma or belief - rather if you can be open minded, do the practices and see what you discover for yourself. It might surprise you. Either way it's fine - i am not preaching or pushing anything on you. I'm merely putting it out there.

@Dragallur Rolling dice isn't a good analogy because we are talking about pinpointing the position and velocity of matter here...and they can't. But the ramifications mean that classical physics and materialism are out the window. The clock work universe is out the window because matter is not in certain positions. It basically debunks materialism.

@Dragallur understood. Well basically it means if something can't be measured with 100% certainty than it has no meaning - or in other words it doesn't exist. So that's what the founders of Quantum Mechanics understood. Niels Bohr to name one. It was extremely radical. In fact Einstein had many famous debates back and forth with Bohr but in the end he couldn't get past the math. He wanted desperately to be able to pinpoint the exact location and velocity of a particle with absolute certainty but it is just not to be. Most physicists today understand this but they really just go about doing their work without consciously thinking about the ramifications...which is unfortunate. In regards to the Math - i was in no way undermining the mathematics behind Quantum Mechanics. It is sound. That is the point. I was simply stating that there was no particular reason for me to study the mathematical proofs.

Indeed. Heisenberg's uncertainty principle..but i take it you don't subscribe to logical positivism

@Dragallur Hi. Are you denying that one cannot measure a particle's velocity and position simultaneously?

@SOUL we love you - you damn bloody ape.

@Becks what do you mean?

@Aakash i can't explain that to you - if you have to ask me this and you have been doing the practices for years make it your life purpose to get some pyschedelics and take them properly.

@cetus56 don't start a war Haha..j/k... God realization is a hell of a thing. Nothing bigger than that!

@Mikael89 yes and no - because believe it or not - you ARE God and you can shift to God consciousness.

@Aakash it's more than Ok with it. It is Love for it. One is both the relative and the Absolute. It is One. You cannot escape yourself. Form and formless is identical. Duality vs non-duality is the final duality to collapse. At that point it is indistinguishable. It is only Love. That's liberation. That is transcending the ego and death.

@Mikael89 yes the Absolute is the Absolute. The duality of suicide being discouraged or encouraged breaks down. But as God would you go around encouraging yourself to off yourself when you created yourself to be? It is your ablility as God to do so - but that's not the question here.

@SOUL @Aakash now you guys are onto liberation it's seeing you are the loop and being Ok with it.

@winterknight you will loop yourself forever like that until you discover you are the loop.

@Pouya that's precisely the point. If you knew it was a dream then it would stop being a dream and you would be awake! Correct.

@Aakash i think i clearly proved to him that i grasp Quantum Mechanics enough to discuss it with him. I didn't delve into the mathematics of it because there was no point once you awaken. It is far more valuable to understand that you ARE the formula than to try and figure it out. I leave that to the mathematicians. He probably looked that up on Wikipedia anyway - it didn't sound like he was anywhere near my level of understanding of the topic and definitely asleep if he thinks that Truth is a belief. But i still have love for him and i hope he can awaken one day.

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@TheAvatarState i racked my brain on this for a long time after my last awakening which was that everything is a projection of my mind as God. That is Oneness. I'm imagining all of it. I experienced this directly and so has Leo. You may have too..others have. So after coming down to my finite mind again i began wondering the same. Are there even other perspectives? But i came to realize that i have limited myself as this particular perspective - and that i limited myself as all other perspectives as well..and i am all consciousness..I'm the chair and the coffee table. So basically it's both. From Gods mind (when i take that perspective or shift to it through mysticism - you are a projection of my mind as is everything. It's a hell of a scary thing as well as beautifull and it can make you think you are going insane. But here is the kicker...I'm a projection of your mind as well. That's how infinite this thing is. God / you is being it all simultaneously.