Inliytened1

Wow man you seem to be becoming undone. We will leave it here.

I didn't say issues. I said Oneness. Who sees through the separate self? You will say nothing right? Well that nothing is God!

Correct. Subject/object must collapse. Where we differ is you think there is no collapse. But there is - relative to you. But not you as what you thought you were. There is a mystical shift in Consciousness. Thats how it was for me. We will run into strange loops here because of Oneness.

One can't say that until One has awoken.

What is apparent is what is. It doesn't just appear that way. It IS that way. That is what relativity is. Only after awakening can you make that statement. When it is real for you. All else is belief and concept.

Not sure where i ever stated reality wasn't perfect? How perfect it is doesn't mean someone is less asleep It just is what it is. Nothing better or worse about it. Where you are currently is perfect.

Thanks for the tidbit ? And you are already enlightened too We know the games you are playing. Trying to act like the Absolute And yeah i know you are already the Absolute :)? Only you are not at this moment! You are just a piece of it.

@Nak Khid christ you are gonna make me read all that. Couldn't you have stated it in your own words? Yeah Solipsism aint the whole truth. But what is but Truth itself?

@VeganAwake so you are basing your "argument" on what another spiritual teacher says?

Can you explain how that has anything to do with the philosophy of Solipsism?

Bingo!

and my claim is that God awakens to itself. Yes becoming conscious that there is no "I" "self" or entity behind the eyes is an awakening. It shatters the illusion of death. But I am saying that enlightenment is not just realizing the 'me" is an illusion. that is enlightenment - but to truly break out of the dream is to realize what you are, not just what you are not - that you are God dreaming up the entire universe. We are not just using the word dream by accident.

What i think everyone is trying to say to you is that what you have been saying is what will actually keep you from awakening from the dream. For example If you were in a dream but then you stated that there is nothing to awaken to - that what you need to awaken to is just a dream - well then you will never break out of the actual dream.

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Haha. Yeah but you can't label reality as a particular philosophy. All philosophy is held within reality.

@Mu_ i dig what you are saying. Yet it really comes down to this. You don't know what you don't know. The key is to hold the mind open. Vegan does.

If you directly became conscious that you were "alone" as God then come back and tell me how you did in duality. Duality is precisely duality for the very purpose of forgetting what you are. If you knew directly what you were you would cease to exist as you and you would be God. So coming back to duality requires integration. And there is a state in between as consciousness closes itself up.

I think i love you the most. You know EXACTLY when sarcasm is needed

Really? I think its pretty deep stuff. But then again - this is a place to compare notes. If you have an open mind you might gain something - or not. Too much time should not be spent on the forum if you wanna actually become Truth. If you wanna babble about it - this is the place to be. The problem with an open forum like this is you have to be wise enough to separate the wheat from the chaff. When you listen to a spiritual teacher there is only one guy talking. And you can take it or leave it. Which of course you can here

It is only from the relative state that there are not. From your current state. If you think that's all that reality is then like i said to @VeganAwake that is what it is to you. Its a mindfuck. But it also indicates you are closing your mind.

We have been debating over duality being an illusion for months now. It is an illusion, but it exists. Just like nothingness exists. Still love you bro. Like i said you are where you are and that's how it should be. I'm not trying to push anything on you. I'm just stating what i have become directly conscious of. What you are currently conscious of is what reality is to you. And that's perfect.

I never said relative meaning was objective. But the Absolute is pure selflessness. Pure Love. Pure Goodness and pure Infinite intelligence. Wisdom is something we gain in finite form.

This isn't spiritual ego. I do not feel special or feel that i have some special power. If you are skeptical to what is being said here than that's exactly where you should be.

There is Infinite consciousness that can take any form or state. Well i guess maybe some psychedelics might be in order for you

@VeganAwake there are higher states of consciousness that you are currently not conscious of. If you were you would be dead.