Inliytened1

He hasn't said that in a while I think he's matured past that point. It's like saying hey "I'm stronger than you so go sit down". Being a bully leaves you in a very lonely place. So I think he's bullying days are over and he has become too conscious for that. At least I hope so. Besides..proving he's more conscious than dream characters really can't be that fulfilling. But what's your take on Solipsism itself. What direct realizations have you had (or awakenings - where are you on the spiritual path to discovering what is true) and if you haven't had any then what is your take on the ontological structure of reality based on contimplation.. .do you believe it is material or made of mind? Since we are having a discussion I'd just like to get a baseline or where you stand on certain metaphysical poiints. Thanks in advance !

Yes agreed this is very true. But I wouldn't even start with God is Solpsism because it's too far advanced. Start with what the heck am I. But to your point don't expect that you will ever have all the answers. After all Infinity always has more.

But why do you assume that this logic has to apply to infinity? After all didn't infinity first have to create that logic?? So why is it limited to that? By your logic God could never have created itself because this would defy "logic".

right..but aren't you applying this to reality? What if there was something outside of even that where none of this would even apply? It's the same concept of there being other minds within the same dream. Only what we are saying here is that there are separate dreams each on their own island with their own language and their own separation. The rules of this reality don't apply to that one..and vice versa. So when I say separate dreams I'm only saying that from my finite perspective. They really aren't separate they are each their own entity. The point is there would be nothing to prevent this in essence.

Yes but assume language is limited here. What you are failing to see is that language IS limited. Look at it from the perspective that we are trying to describe something that isn't describable with language but we are doing the best we can. So when we mean separate we mean something prior to the conceptual meaning of separate that you would use in this reality. Think outside that box and you will get the Infinity of Gods.

And?

It's very interesting..the whole premise. Because other isn't other if it's in a different reality. It got me thinking as to what would be the difference between other Gods and other minds within the same God or the same reality. And the answer is simple. The difference is the shared dream. The dream can't be shared because then there would still have to be someone or something sovereign over that too. So the only way it could truly be possible is if they were all completely isolated from each other and all thus completely sovereign. Yet as soon as they interconnected or you interconnected with them they would be swallowed up by you.

Has anyone asked Tony how he came to such a conclusion? Was it just a sudden insight? Was it for you? Most are not that fortunate if it truly was awakening. You know this. You have done meditation because I've seen you speak about it. So there was one who meditated. Or one who embraced actuality.

My point is if you don't use direct experience such as self inquiry and meditation you will forever remain stuck in concepts. What Nisargadatta is pointing to here is direct experience or actuality. Parsons is stuck in concept. There's no self and that's it. That's still all conceptual.

That is not going to guide you to Absolute Truth. You were born as an illusion and awakening is the shattering of that illusion. There is nothing else but awakening from the illusion. You know this better than anyone.

Anyone can sit around and say there is no self. And none to realize it. But the fact remains that there is the illusion of the self and that does exist. It is real. We just discussed that over in the Solpsism thread. It is the shattering of the illusion which is what awakening is all about. If you don't bother to inquire then you will continue to be stuck in concepts rather than direct experience.

True but do you want delusion or Truth? Ultimately it is Truth.

That's my take. If you don't like it just stay listening to Tony Parsons.

Stop with the sarcasm.

Imo neo-advaitans are worse than Christians. It's such a distortion and twisting of Truth that it's of the deepest kind.

Tony parsons is not enlightened. Nisargadatta was. Tony is a false prophet. It's easy to say there is no self but to realize it there must have been one to realize. These neo-advaitans are the worst kind. Almost worse than hard Christians.

Again the premise of the video states they cannot be. Language is tricky because here when one uses the term One they can mean unlimited or Infinity. You are assuming they mean the finite number one in relation to other numbers. But Absolute Onenesss is the same as what you are speaking about. Which is why i capitalize it.

What plant are you smoking because I want some of it.

Maybe but as you said the key here is that imagination is reality. This is probably the most beautiful and mystifying thing about all of reality. It allows for Infinite possibilities. Where as if you had a physical, obective, mechanical universe you would really be limited. Einstein was really on the cusp. But he fell short. Though I hope in the end he woke up.

I think his point was to say that because of this there are no truly separate Absolutes. But the premise of Infinity of Gods says there is. Yet the interconnecticity of the two breaks the premise of the infinity of Gods, because it brings the two Absolutes together. That was why it doesn't contradict Solpsism. As you connect the two it becomes part of your reality. It actually never contradicts Solpsism in a sense because the meaning of other only applies to your reality. The other "other" is not even imaginable. Yet the paradox here is that you are still imagining it.

The middle class has been decimated but the way i see it is because wages cannot keep up with the inflation rate. This is probably the most important thread here because most of us are middle class. Yet it got little to no attention.

Yes! Well..as Leo said..rather than focusing on Solpsism you should really go back to the beginning of the path. And this starts with the self. The human self like you said. This starts with simple self inquiry. Because the realization of Solpsism is really the destruction of other. But notice that other is the other end of the duality of self/other. Contained within your idea of reality is both. You have your identity in the universe..and then you have everything that's not you. That is why I call the destruction of other the final realization. Because it unites both self and other into One.

He never said it contradicted Solipsism..where are you seeing that? He was very careful not to do that but left the possibility there could be other Absolutes. Yes we use the term other here but it is paradoxical because it really isn't an other. Now..the whole communication part is a little far fetched. Hence why I refrained from really entertaining this possibility with my imagination. All you are doing here is imagining yet more reality and more "other" like you said. Yet it still fits within the realm of possibility. It merely extends or expands the concept of Solipsism. Which is, by the way, concept. You need the actual realization. Just be wary because it WILL kill you. This realization will kill you.

What this is is someone really rattled that Solpsism is the case and desperately wanting other to still somehow exist. Well..it DOES exist! You see..since imagination is reality..well wala! Why would you need to imagine another God? When you can just imagine your mother or your buddy next door. You can talk to them already.

Yes that's good. Many people are not able to go meta and step outside of themselves to see that this is only bothersome from their selfish perspective. And if they just let it go it would no longer have any meaning. You're right in that you don't need to be enlightened to do this. But many aren't able to see past their own perspective and they let it consume them.