Inliytened1

Yes It's the unified understanding that it is all One. The desire for Mahāsamādhi is still creating a duality. But awakening in itself is not an illusion. Rather it is realizing that the "dream" is Absolute Truth .

That is false. You can fully awaken from the dream without harming the physical body. There is nowhere to go but back into the dream, but you can fully awaken.

Yes that's why I placed it in the relative because the specific things that matter are directly relative to that finite being and what matters to that finite beings survival. In this case his mother's death would most likely pain him deeply and have widespread consequences on his own survival and well being. Notice this isn't a problem it's a feature. On An Absolute level it is all Absolute Love because there is no difference between anything as reality is Infinite and Selfless with a complete lack of bias towards anything because it is all things and there is nothing that can be outside of it.

That means you are choosing one thing over another. If it were meaningless then it would make no difference if she drowned or not..That's the point I was trying to make. I'm not debating that Absolutely speaking nothing matters I'm speaking relatively.

Are you saying its also OK to let her drown?

That's fine but that's still a meta perspective. I'm talking more literally. I'll give you an example. If your mother is drowning in a pool is it going to matter to you to go in and save her or are you just going to say nothing really matters and let her die? If you jump in and save her that's because it mattered to you.

In order for one to manipulate material reality they already have to be conscious enough to realize any other human in the world doing such things would also be their imagination. This goes very deep - and must be Total. It would take extremely radical levels of consciousness- to the point where if you could do it at all - at that point it would lose all meaning....it would be like going into developer mode on your personal video game and then going back into the game as the player. So it would mean nothing other than an entertaining experiment. You would then need to fool yourself via imagination once back as the player and forget you modified the game as the game master. Of course Leo is already at the level where he is conscious on an Absolute level that this is just his own playground so it would probably work out great. .

Yeab andl one must be careful not to conflate the relative with the Absolute. Relatively speaking things matter. As Leo pointed out, there are consequences. Things matter relatively speaking. That's an important distinction to make so that we don't misunderstand this work. And even Absolutely speaking nothing matters circles back around to Infinite Love.

Yes real/imaginary is a duality that can collapse. What this means is what is imagined is real, and what is real is imagined.....for YOU. That's the key..for you. It still seems you are thinking in terms of some objective reality. Self/Other is also a duality that can collapse. When we say these dualities collapse we are being 100% literal. So one can say - oh yeah real/imaginary and self/other are dualities..yeah got it..not a big deal. But the problem is they don't got it. If you did you would probably be on the floor whimpering over the magnitude of the realization...Collapsing these dualities happens at the level of Being not concept. And even after that these are such radical awakenings that it takes months and sometimes years to integrate. But one needs to start by doing the spiritual practices. I see you on here a lot asking questions about the most advanced topics but have you ever bothered to do the work? Things such as meditation, self inquiry, deconstruction of the mind and more specifically the materialist paradigm. It's also important to get a metaphysical foundation before you even bother trying to tackle some of these questions. It's like you are trying to put the cart before the horse. Videos in actualized catalog such as Absolute Infinity and what is perception are very good. All of this stuff connects. Feel free to PM and I can give you a list of some of the ones I recommend specifically for helping you awake.

Quote of the century

Like you said before - it's all just One. The finger is the hand Form is formlessness

I thought the same thing but then figured maybe he meant reality as in universe with a small "u"

@flyingwhalee

Nice Because no state of Consciousness is special or should be glorified . This is paramount to understand. You are God right now. You are in a finite state of consciousness but you are Truth and Consciousness right now. No difference. And it's just as glorious. This is it. Now yes there are more expanded states of consciousnes which you could call God Consciousness - and can have the Realization of Truth. But it should not be chased or glorified because that turns into ego.

The greatest gift God can share with itself is the realization of itself.

Guys let's not tarnish the thread with debate.

We can throw answers at you but I don't think it will do anything productive. This is something you can get an answer to but much further down the path. Just spitting out answers at the stage you are in won't make any sense to you anyway. This is getting into the deepest levels. If I were just starting in the path I would start at the beginning. Begin with meditation and self inquiry into the self. The answers to all questions need to be validated directly. But if you dissolve the self it opens doors to deeper levels and realizations on the path. We don't want this stuff to turn into beliefs.

Meditation and contemplation / self inquiry can work. First one must drop the self or realize the self is imaginary. Don't get ahead of yourself. There a lot of degrees and awakenings to this. It is too much to become conscious of everything all at once. What you are describing is some of the most advanced aspects that come much much later. Also establish a ground by building a conceptual framework. Listen to Leo's metaphysical and epistemological videos. This is serious business so be aware of what you are getting into. Then after - if you are still not making headway and are getting into years then you can leverage psychedelics in a responsible way. And be careful not to turn this into an egoic desire. It has to be an authentic desire for Truth for Truths sake. Stay curious.

Sadly - This is the truth. I was going to post it but no need now. I think these Truths were still at a belief level for him. And this work should never be taken as belief even if he could intuit it.. If not he wouldn't have done what he did.

`the I does not mean the ego I in this statement, not a human. Keep that in mind. Also it is just a pointer. Language can only point to the Absolute. As the Absolute there is no one to say they are God to someone else. they just ARE. or more accurately God just IS.

yep its all one ultimately were all of your awakening(s) without psychedelics?

Yes our awakenings sound similar and the key here and maybe I didn't point this out earlier but there is a shift in identity. As it is realized there is no self there is a shift in consciousness to identifying with Consciousness itself. You become aware that you are awareness itself. Which is God. Now the realization that as Consciousness I was completely Infinite came later. But in this awakening there was Divinity/Bliss it was Pure Consciousness. So for me Infinity was a different awakening as was Nothingness. The body can't contain Infinity so that awakening was something else. Abiding in non-dual awareness later to me is something that continues to deepen over time but yes there is the ability to shift Consciousness now to a meta level although I do not always abide in this 24/7. But this isn't the same as abiding in an Infinite state of Consciousness have to agree with Leo there. It does not take away from someone being awake. It could be here we are also just getting caught up in language. But as I am typing this to you I am imagining you are a real being or ie imagining you into existence as imagination is reality - and therefore my Consciousness is shifted into dual gear. About that- the final awakening for me here was what i call Oneness (the collapse of self/other) - it came about a month after all the rest. This too was a mystical expanded state of consciousness in which I became directly conscious that I was completely alone as God and all of this was being held within my Consciousness not out there somewhere but within my Mind as God. All beings were me. All creatures were me, etc. This was probably the single most ultimate mindfuck and the most difficult to accept. But you cannot run from it. You cannot hide from it. All other are no different than the the thought of a unicorn you may have. And it is laid bare before your eyes because your mind has expanded so much. This...this one especially is an extremely profound awakening you can have.

Yeah for sure I totally agree there. That is a good distinction to point out There can be many glimpses/mystical experiences prior to a full awakening/Realization.

Yes but first you have to realize that you are God.

@Wilhelm44 I think he was talking about neo-advaita in which awakening is the realization of no self and that's it. Duality was the self and it is an illusion. While all that is true that's where it ends for them. There is no God realization. Because there is no one to realize God. It's just - there is no self. But if you get stuck in thinking that the realization of no self is all there is you can never reach the highest realizations and that's where you will be. I also think in many cases that these realizations of no self are just conceptual and not actual which is not true spirituality. True spirituality is about Actuality. It is mystical, but this can be dismissed too because there is no one to experience anything