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Perhaps..but it's time to close.

This other guy paid him about 1k and was happy with everything.

He's already been banned 5 times. He shouldn't be here but he has an addiction to the forum and somehow I let him stay. Leo banned him last time and the software corrupted and had to be reverted back to before he was banned and i let it go. That's the only reason he's still here..and I am really thinking about changing my mind.

Really? You have balls man, I give you that.

The Truth shall set you free. That said there were people who paid nahm and were happy with the service and their growth. One such individual that I also talk to that has paid @nahm is @lesu. So Raptor is only one example and there could be many other happily paid (or not) customers. Whether they were deceived or not doesn't matter of it helped their growth. And he has told me it has helped his. I have always provided my counsel to him for free though.

And we do feel compassion- at least I do, for raptor and the whole situation. It's sad that nahms imsge is being tainted..but maybe his image was a farce to begin with. We cannot hold any bias as mods either way.

We are dammed if we do and dammed if we don't. If we lock it we will get crucified for a lack of compassion. And we do feel compassion- at least I do, for raptor and the whole situation. It's sad that nahms imsge is being tainted..but maybe his image was a farce to begin with. We cannot hold any bias as mods either way.

I expect more from you then telling someone to shut up. Next time it's a warning and you are close to being banned. We are working through this with him.

@Kksd74628 yes. This is about him not @nahm. . He needs to look within himself.. But it is easier said than done. If this is helping him right now to ultimately get to that point then fine. Telling him he is "the kind of person, etc" is not going to help him. Watch the personal attacks

@TrickypYes it seems to be the emotional damage. Paying back the money now can't fix that. Ultimately @Raptorsin7 needs to find this closure within himself. And be at peace with himself over it.

What would give you closure at this point? I think you need to address this with him face to face. Talking to us about it isn't going to give you closure. Otherwise how long do you need to let it out until you feel better ? A week? Or month? Or would dealing with nahm directly and getting closure with him directly allow you to move on?

It's only confusing because it's sp God damn counterintuitive..yet it is so simple. It's the materialist paradigm and the way we have been brought up into this story that is really the elaborate one. God has to make the illusion so elaborate that you can't even unwind it in your mind - your mind has been so conditioned to it already. But yes direct experience is king. Otherwise this can be taken on as a belief and we don't want that.

@GreenWoods exactly

Thanks man you too...i know you looked up to him a lot.

@Null Simplex nice. Yes that's it. I had the exact same awakening..it was actually the final one for me. But it was exactly as you described. Everything you thought was external is seen in this expanded state to be actually you and Iinternal, held inside your Mind..you are shown that you are dreaming all of reality. It can bring a sense of aloneness because others collapse into you so your reality is recontexualized in an instant leaving you completely alone. But it is liberating to know at the level of Being that this entire thing is ALL yours. Anyway that's awesome. You validated Solipsism although it sounds kind you have not realized no self in which there is this moment when it hits you that you, thst this entity you thought you were, was an illusion..and what remains is Pure Consciousness or Awareness..this is bliss! You die.. for this is recommend self inquiry. . But that's awesome man!!

No self is one thing....but to say no self..no God realization. No this is.belief and thought. Let thiughts go..this is going to hinder someone more than help because they may never explore conscioisness further or soak up the teachings here. There is an existential aloness when it is realized that all of reality is being held within your consciousness..when you are shown this directly..it is a shock. It can lead to destabilization or depression. Spirituality is dangerous. But yes if there were people who were unstable or turning this work into dogma or delusion then it's better to just tell them to get away from spirituality altogether rather than fill there minds with there is no you...that would make an unstable person worse

This is a dream. And you are God dreaming it. The end.

Ok...gotchya. well for him perhaps 5meo does put him straight into Infinity. He's a freak with psychedelics. I'm a freak without them...as for his claim no one else is awake im the most awake..etc..that is just his ego...I don't care about that. What I cared about was whether the teachings were sound and they are extremely sound. That's all that matters. They can take you to God Realization.

I have directly validated every facet of awakening that Leo has had. These are not beliefs. I actually had several before him and before he began teaching them here. Namely the awakening in which you are in an expanded state of consciousness and you become conscious thst everything is your own mind. And I still have the PM where I told Leo about it. A few weeks later he had the same awakening and began teaching it more extensively. These are not beliefs. Don't take them as beliefs either of course. They can be validated. Yes we use language as pointers to talk about God..but it doesn't mean the finger is the moon. Thought should never be demonized. Egoic thought can be deception and illusion but it is still through Mind that we realize Mind. Nahm was not teaching God realization..I don't know why. Maybe he wasn't awakened. I don't wanna speculate and it's irrelevant..but he was not teaching that. He was teaching no self and that was it. The road is over there is no one to wake up. God is a thought. This is wrong.. awakening goes beyond no self although thst Is a massive awakening. His teachings didn't go far enough and were actually a perversion of the Truth in a way.. and towards the end he just became a madman actually.

I could be wrong again..but I don't feel he was purposely swindling. He may have been a spiritual "coo coo" in a sense..but that was just him. He probably honestly thought he could give you liberation or awakening or peace of mind..whatever.. in other words it came from a place of love..but it seems he's not playing with a full deck. Again I don't want to pounce on him I just want to mention that. He didn't seem like a guy purposely out to scam you..he was way too out there for something like that. However that said..you knew him better and you could be right.

Your never leaving .you'll be here till you die or Leo shuts it down lol. U may disappear for a year but then return

You've always been a pretty level headed member with good contributions...never cause any problems..more members like you would be nice.

U are just full of comedy today

I honestly didn't spend my time investigating his activities....he is a well respected member and I honestly didn't know what agreements Leo may or may not have had with him in particular. So yes maybe this got missed by everyone or overlooked because it was him.

I agree...yet at the same time we are also a community in a sense...