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Not entirely. When you have a natural awakening - you will die - while still in human form. The ego will return but you will be far different from what you were before. This change cannot be denied. You may carry the memory of God, but your heart is altered if you can speak fhe same of a psychedelic awakening then you know of which I speak. If you cannot - then well, it was not awakening

Because you still think awakening has degrees.

There are no rules to how spirituality is done. Thus- Psychedelics must be on the table. But I can tell you first hand that if you asked Leo if he could awaken via meditation or Psychedelics which one he would choose - it would always be meditation. This is because it is much more pure. And I can tell you that awakening to no self pure without psychedelics is the most miraculous thing you could ever experience when you realize you are dreaming this way you will never go back to thinking it was ever a percentage game. You will be God realized, and that will be that

I wouldn't say that. Listen to everything up to Infinity oF Gods. This was a crap episode and I can explain why. After that it was just an episode about not knowing and insight. Both good. Do not equate his work with the Simpsons or I will ban you. Offer something good here.

First off - do not believe Leo because he is part of your own mind. So what you choose to give meaning to is up to you. If you wanna feed Leo that energy- let me assure you- you are barking up a dead tree. His early stuff all the way up to Infinity oF Gods was excellent. But then, with infinity of God's, he fell off. And he fell off big-time. Not knowing was the only good episode he has had since. So please- carve your own path and don't listen to him any more. He had good stuff in the beginning but that was it. With that being said - again - when you wake up from a dream in the morning is that something you have percentages of? No. In spirituality- it is the realization of no self. This is awakening. Because in this you stop being the self and you become God. After that , in God Consciousness- you can and will have thr realization of Inifnity. But that only comes in a non-dual state.

No..i speak not of facets. I speak of waking up. You can wake up from the dream. If you want to say this is a distinct facet of understanding reality I say yes- it is - but it is intertwined with the realization of no self.. and it is fundamental to anything that happens thereafter. THis is awakening from the dream and it is the realization that everything is consciousness.

Thank you for picking up the pieces, as usual. Youre always there, in some annoying way

The effect on someone is a pure result of their OWN pysche!! Nothing more. If someone is damaged then they may misinterpret these teachings and are thus warned not to listen. Are you deaf to all the disclaimers to the mentally ill or unstable?

It's the same practice in my view. Inquiring into the nature of reality and self is meditation and also getting in touch with actuality is meditation. Both are the same because at the root of realizing what you are is Actuality. Have you sat and just stared at your hand for hours on end yer? Don't think- just be in touch with the actuality of your hand.

Indeed I did know. And you knew that.

This is excellent. All you have to do now is realize it for yourself You have all the pieces to the puzzle. Now become the puzzle But yeah - this shift in consciousness is profound because Pure Consciousness was always there. You were always Absolute Consciousness. But you limited yourself via a shift in your state of consciousness. You're current state of consciousness is that of a finite self - with other being anything not you. When this evaporates, with a shift in consciousness, then there is just pure consciousness. But the shift must be total. This means the collapse of the self and other duality. This is a duality and an illusion that can be peeled away. The problem is that this is death. If you have strong attachments to this world the ego will not go softly into the night. It must be by the element of surprise. So the words in these ancient texts are true, but validating them is another matter. Long live the blessed Buddha.

You are complicating meditation. Meditation should be two things. It should be sitting and dwelling in what is actual - free from the mind. And it should be self inquiring. Only these two.

More accurate would be to say that on the ego's return it immediately commences its pursuit of self deception. You had become God. You had become Truth. But the ego cannot allow that. It must bring the dream back into existence and solidify it, for its own survival. This is no different from an awakening via meditation. Although, a natural awakening and a natural ego death, is more powerful than any psychedelic trip. This is because it was not accessed with any cheat code. It was accessed by being actual. By Being. This brings a bliss that taking a psychedelic can only dream of. It also will be forever glued to the memory of God in human form on the return. Far stronger then what God allows to be glued to the memory of the one who trips.

Yes - and to add to that, I would say that well validation lies as a responsibility of the listener. But first an open mind is required. Most come in close minded to begin with - and thus they point out a reflection of their own bias. I don't find any of his public teachings to be irresponsible- for the record, Meaning Gura. He gets irresponsible here on the forum- but that is simply his human nature coming out. With such deep material the responsibility lies with who takes it in and at what level they are at to absorb what is being said. It does not lie with the teacher.

@r0ckyreed it's ridiculously easy to trick them up. The problem is they dont really want to know. They want to remain glued to their beliefs, and you cannot rip them from them. You can only coddle them.

I really hope you aren't heeding guys like osho and Sadhguru.

Awakening is ego death- and coming back. So when someone says you ain't awake - it means you ain't died. It's Absolute and finally. There are no degrees. God is God and omniscience is Absolute. There are no degrees to omniscience. You can understand reality In a flash but you can forget it even quicker. The fool believes there are degrees to grasping God. There cannot be because God is beyond the human grasp. There is only becoming God. But enlightenment is very real, even if we are only left with the memory. God becomes God for a short time - the rest of his time is spent being that which is other than God. It's much more spellbinding. To God, being God is boring. It is much more enticing to be mortal.

@AlexNonymous6 this is an excellent post and I really commend you for the level of awakening and oneness you have experienced. It is something beyond what 99.9 percent of this foolish population will ever understand. But know this - had you gone through the final awakening you would know that others are a figment of your imagination and thus they must be glued to the dream. If all others woke up you could not linger and persist here. Your dream would dissolve. You must have something real and concrete here - something that you can hold onto - and thus you dream that others believe in its realism. This further solidifies its realism to you. You cannot dare fathom how deep this goes, or how deep as God you will go to fool yourself. If you take anything away from Gura - know that his lectures on self deception are probably the most essential.

Putting into percents is another mistake. You either wake up from a dream or you don't. There aren't percents of this. There are different things you can learn about the dream you are dreaming - but awakening is Absolute.

No they are not. If you think there was some alternative motive in that episode you are mistaken. There was not. It was simply to teach that death, along with your soul, is but a thought in the mind. In fact - it is a thought in the mind of God. Death- by you - has never been experienced. It never will be. A soul, will never be shown to you anywhere- because it does not exist. A self that does not exist cannot die. Thoughts can die, but what are they? Perhaps They never were anything. Perhaps what was never anything cannot be something.

Only because you came back Yes that is correct. Which is why total insanity cannot exist. It is the same as death. Leo's definition of insanity is your mind going into a completely different reality. That is something different then my definition- which is a loss of the sense of self.

You haven't experienced insanity until you experience depersonalization. Everything else is child's play.

Well, sadly - you've bought into a bunch of neo-advaitan BS. There is one who awakens. That one is equal to no one. Because it is all things. But it awakens - and it is you. It has both human and non human qualities.

Well, sadly - you've bought into a bunch of neo-advaitan BS. There is one who awakens. That one is equal to no one. Because it is all things. But it awakens - and it is you. It has both human and non human qualities.

Well, sadly - you've bought into a bunch of neo-advaitan BS. There is one who awakens. That one is equal to no one. Because it is all things. But it awakens - and it is you. It has both human and non human qualities.